Anita Bentata, soul centred psychotherapist and counsellor joined us on Thursday 27th August via Facebook Live to discuss how you can shift overwhelm, confusion and emotional pain. In her live discussion with Molly Knight, Anita covered:
  • Dealing with rage and helplessness.
  • Using your whole brain (not just parts) to keep you on track
  • Two human habits that are holding you back and how you can easily change this
  • Staying free from trauma no matter the external controls
  • How to move away from drama and be part of the solution


Anita Bentata is a Melbourne based, mind body psychotherapist & health coach​ with a special interest in helping individuals navigate their way through trauma and abuse. She completed a Bachelor of Human Services (Monash University), specialising in Human Behaviour before qualifying as a soul centred psychotherapist and counsellor. Anita went on to do further training as a Certified Integrative Health Coach (Institute of Integrative Nutrition), and later as a Restorative Exercise Specialist ™ at the Nutritious Movement Institute. She is also an​ international multi​-award​ winner, author and speaker.


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Molly Knight 0:00
Good evening, everyone. Welcome to Health Australia Party Thursday night talks. I’m Molly.

Tonight we have a really great talk and I know it’s going to connect with well most of us and certainly be a help to a great many of us. And I’m really pleased to be bringing it to you particularly given the times that we’re living in at the moment. Tonight I’m going to be talking with Anita Bentata. Anita has a bachelor degree from Monash Monash uni specializing in human behavior. She’s an author. She’s also a psychotherapist and has 25 years of experience, and she’s specifically trained in trauma and abuse. So she really does understand what the wider community are feeling right now, and particularly with like things like threats, cognitive dissidence, gaslighting, and punishing control that’s happening Australia wide. Well, worldwide really isn’t it and as we live in these new and challenging times with these regulations. And Nita is currently running an online program for women impacted by trauma, abuse or isolation during this COVID-19 time, and she’s got a lot of techniques and knowledge that she can share and provide significant help which will allow for people those feelings of overwhelm and confusion and emotional pain and help you to keep these feelings and particularly around like, the overwhelm and helplessness that we often feel as we’re so restricted in what we can do these days, and even rage that you know, could be filling up and you don’t perhaps recognize it. So it gives me great pleasure to introduce you to Anita Bentata. Welcome, Anita.

Anita Bentata 1:51
Thanks, Molly. It’s great to have this opportunity to to engage about an everyday experience that we’re all having about overwhelming and help hopelessness, it’s so important.

Molly Knight 2:03
And I think, for me, I know it’s something that’s crept up on me because I’ve sort of cope mostly pretty well with things. But sometimes I suddenly feel myself going, Oh my gosh, this is all too hard. And I must say, I’ve really not felt that much in my whole life. But I know for you, you you have a very interesting background. And I wonder if you could tell us how you went from being in accounting to being a psychotherapist? Can we start with that, Anita?

Anita Bentata 2:31
Absolutely. I grew up in a family before even the accounting where there was a lot of helplessness and overwhelm. And so I learned a lot of ways of how do I need to be in the world to be okay and to keep the peace and not cause anything that might feel more overwhelming. And that led me into like, I was working in accounts. When I ended up leaving because I ended up leaving domestic violence with my two young children. And so then as soon as I escaped from the domestic violence, I went into therapy to make sure that would never happen again. For me, for some reason, that was really clear that that’s what I needed to do. And through that journey over a couple of years of therapy, individual and group therapy, I thought, I don’t want to go back to accounts. I loved it, but I knew I had wanted to do something more. And I wanted to do something more with people, but I hadn’t been sure wash and after going through my own personal journey, I changed careers. And so I went back to I went to uni, and I’d actually left school at 16. So it was a big deal going into uni and after three years of my bachelor qualification, and I started working in the field and because I knew what I needed as a client from a practitioner, I hadn’t gone for psychology. I searched for a different qualification and, but no qualification of the standard ones gives you what you need to work with trauma or abuse. So then I went into the field of the four years qualifying on what had helped me recover from domestic violence and childhood trauma. So that was what led me to being in my own private practice and I can’t believe it’s been 25 years now

Molly Knight 4:31
25 years later, you surface. Let’s start tonight with if you don’t mind with the discussion on this overwhelm, because like I said, I have felt overwhelmed with everything that’s been happening. And it’s it’s, it’s a bit of an alien feeling to me really, because I sort of float through life a bit but and I think a lot of people do we have our own little coping mechanisms, don’t we? So can you describe like what happens to our body, and thoughts, our emotions when we do find ourselves in this state of overwhelm. When we feel, I guess, feel that life is on top of us and we become overwhelmed. And well just feel as though we’re not really coping,

Anita Bentata 5:16
hmm. overwhelm is the experience where our system doesn’t feel the skills, the safety or the support to be able to integrate what’s coming at us. And so when overwhelm equals trauma, it’s not just the big things that you hear about in the news. It’s any experience where our system can’t integrate what’s going on. And what our system does with the overwhelm is automatically when our system registers overwhelm, our system has to disconnect from the input when our system doesn’t know how to be with it. And that sets up the stress response in our system where it mobilizes blood to go to different parts of the brain and different parts of the body and whole mines get activated. You know, different hormones are activated and our system is more laser focused on the detail of something rather than being with the whole of what’s going on. We’ve lose contact with our frontal cortex where we’re process and we can think about our feelings and feel about our thinking. We’re in more urgent, faster mode, more emergency mode. And you can see that in social media posts because people have far more the dials up far higher on their reactivity. And they’re wanting everybody to kind of be quiet in a sense, so it doesn’t trigger their own stuff. So what everyone’s wanting to shut everybody else down, because of that state of overwhelm when they don’t have the mind body skills to be able to process what is happening. So the

Molly Knight 6:52
that’s fascinating the changes in the body, isn’t it just when you feel overwhelmed because for me, I wouldn’t have linked it to a trauma as such. would have just thought, Oh, yeah, well, I feel a bit overwhelmed. And, you know, what do I do to to feel different, but interesting that it is linked to Well, it’s a traumatic experience. Yeah, yes. Yes.

Anita Bentata 7:12
So when that overwhelm happens and the nerve fibers between the left and the right hemisphere, the corpus callosum, the less of them are connecting and talking to each other. And so we might get muddled. We might get forgetful, we might have foggy thinking, we might get things mixed up, energy can feel really hard. We can feel really lethargic, the things that might energize us, make us feel tired. Everything has more effort. And I think of it as it’s a wonderful thing that our brain is doing. Our brain is never broken. It’s always doing the perfect thing. It’s just that we live in a society that is so misunderstands trauma so much, that we go into an accumulation And what is normal is we’re managing a lot of stress. And so we might have some overwhelm. And then we, we keep accumulating and taking, minimizing. We met, we minimize how much we’re affected a lot of the time, and we maximize how much we think we’re coping. And often, then when we’re out of something, we can realize more about the reality about how significant it was. But the beautiful thing about the disconnect is, it’s only meant to be a temporary thing. It’s meant to be till we can get to a place of resources, support, safety skills, to be able to then go back to what overwhelmed us and integrate it. But we’re in a society that values the thinking function so much that we just think I’ll keep on going. It’s over now or we’ll do some rational thing about it. And we don’t realize that the body carries What the mind can’t integrate, and it accumulates in the body carries the unconscious and all of what our mind can’t be with. And so we get triggered, then something else comes up for us. Because we haven’t been we just need to come back to that overwhelm with skills and support and then we can process it. And then and the traumatic experience doesn’t have to create trauma. Former is only because it’s not it’s not addressed in our system.

Molly Knight 9:31
Mm hmm. So it manifests manifests physically in our body. And we do we hold it in our body somewhere says

Anita Bentata 9:40
cells carry self carrying memory. Yeah. And so, absolutely, you know, the mind is focused on what we are comfortable to be with and anything that our mind has a conflict with, goes into the unconscious and if you think of the body carries memory in the in the thought of if you have ridden a bicycle for years? You could probably no you don’t have to think about being how to ride a bike your body will remember. Yeah the body carries so much memory. And yes, depending on our life story, we’ll carry it differently in our mind body system.

Molly Knight 10:20
Okay, it’s interesting is that the mind and the body? Well the mind I guess we haven’t explored a great deal of it really in our in our world, but it’s quite um Well, it’s staggering what the human being is capable of in our mind in our emotions and our I think humans have a lot of power. I call it power for one of the different words but our intention is quite a powerful thing. And we can, like you say, and I think I would be guilty of this in saying, Well, you know, I’ve got this and what can I do to get out of it. So I go ahead and try and do something, to get myself out of feeling this overwhelm instead of perhaps sitting back and managing the feelings as they come up.

Anita Bentata 11:11
Yes, I use the metaphor that when we’re walking along, if we’ve got a stone in our shoe, we tend to bend down and take the stone out yet, and we do that on, we’re more likely to do that on the physical level in our life. But when we have a stone in our mind or our heart, you know, internally or emotionally, we tend to just endure it and be quite passive. Rather than engaging with it and transforming it. It just means that our neural pathways when we go into overwhelm, the neural pathways got interrupted. And we need to be able to come back to that interruption and then experience, as I said, with skill safety and support so that those neural pathways can go to their natural conclusion where we’re left with a competent belief and action and flow and feeling that that has a capability with it and healthy conclusion when we don’t we get left with limiting beliefs and limiting behaviors. And what happens when we don’t know how to be with the uncomfortable or internal conflict is we tend to keep repeating patterns. And we end up reacting rather than growing and transforming and expanding our capabilities and and how we are in the world.

Molly Knight 12:37
Huh, yes, yes. So we just keep repeating the patterns, don’t we?

Anita Bentata 12:42
Yeah, absolutely. And the brain goes to what is done most recently and most frequently and what’s worked because it’s got us through to this point. And so we keep those those well worn neural pathways and I liken it to, if you go out in the bush, you’re naturally going to stay on the path, the path you’re not going to rummage through all of the scrub. And everything in the brain always wants to find the easiest way. And so if we don’t have clarity about another option, we just keep on staying in that comfort zone. Mm hmm. Yeah, that would be I guess it’s like come. Yeah, what you know, is safer than the unknown, stepping into the unknown. But I guess is it fair to say that we don’t step out of this comfort zone because we don’t know where to step without guidance and help from someone like yourself is where we don’t even know that there’s somewhere else to go? Absolutely. And it’s constantly reinforced in our society and because there’s an over functional focus in our society of the left brain and the conscious and the rational. And this is why we’ve got this real issue around the world and significantly In Australia, right now, where this is over thinking about the rational, and it’s not connected to the right brain and the body and be able to be able to be with the whole experience. So then we’re making interpretations that are not about the whole and we’re reaching inaccurate conclusions because we can’t be with other layers that the rational mind can’t perceive or interpret correctly. And the really important thing for me that goes with that is to recognize that it’s not logic or insight that changes neural pathways. It’s feelings that change neural pathways. If you think about, I should go to bed earlier or eat this or exercise more. Our logic about what is good for us, doesn’t inspire us to motivate us to take the action. It’s either pleasure or pain, feelings, creates neural pathways and feelings creates change, but when we’re in high states of overwhelmed feelings, we go into those involuntary responses in our stress pattern if we don’t have access to how to relate and engage with them and take them to that productive place that they need to go to.

I’m not sure if it’s frozen a little bit.

So I’m not sure if you can hear me if I keep speaking. But the other thing I guess I’d want to add is that when we have that connection in the brain and the connection to our feelings in our body, then we can feel that flow into our instinct and be able to take action from our instinct. Oh, I think I think Molly’s dropped out for some reason. So I’ll just keep talking till she jumps back in. So yes, that when we’re in that state of overwhelm, and we don’t know how to be with our instinct, because we’ve been overly focused on valuing our left brain, then we get stuck. And we can tend to have limiting thoughts that just keep us in a small in a small place. And so if you think about that overwhelm, and when we don’t know how to be with it, and our system goes in, into that disconnect mode. I think of it like those neural pathways or like live wires where they couldn’t go to their natural completion and they’re ending. And so then when you’re in an experience now, and there’s a similar experience that resonates with the current one where they’ve both got a level of discomfort, or lack of support on how to be with it or that overwhelm, then our system. It’s like a domino with all of those associated responses and experiences because they’re not processed, getting flooded by them. And because the brain is Association, and so when those things aren’t in the when those things is floating around in short term memory, then we then get flooded by that. Hello, Molly. I just kept talking so that I can’t hear you. You’re

Molly Knight 17:39
There we go. That’s the beauty of going live, isn’t it?

Anita Bentata 17:43
Yeah, yeah.

Molly Knight 17:45
Sorry. That’s right. Where we were up to when we went off.

Anita Bentata 17:50
Yes. I, I was talking about the brain and I just ended up I paused a little bit and then I just talked a bit about the instinct and what happens in that brain with that overwhelm with that, the brains associational. And we then when we’ve got overwhelming experiences now, it lights up the other unresolved overwhelming experiences. So we’re not just getting impacted by what’s happening right now. We’re getting like a domino of being flooded from all of those other experiences, because they’re all still floating around in their system if they haven’t gone to that resolution, which then takes them to long term memory where we know about them, but we don’t live relive them.

Molly Knight 18:30
Okay. Okay. So in the situation that everyone’s in now that triggers these feelings of overwhelm all the stuff in our, you know, bag that we carry on our shoulders, that starts to come up, does it so it sort of exacerbates the whole feeling that you have? Yes. So very interesting,

Anita Bentata 18:52
If you’ve had experiences of being unsupported feeling alone or fear of abandonment, and that can hit on childhood things that you might not even realize you that you would consider trauma. Because as a child, if something’s happened to you, and it happened to you develop before you were developmentally able to integrate the overwhelm of it, then you’ve got a bodily experience of it. And because the brain hasn’t finished developing, you might not have the words and the pictures and the meaning all linked up, but you’ve got the feeling and the body cellular memory of it. And so there’s that those experiences with the when something happens too soon, or for too long, it creates a trauma developmentally in us, or adult experiences. When we felt unsupported or felt bullied, we felt helpless. We felt, you know, like so many of us have had experiences at different points, whether it’s in school or bosses or colleagues or partners that so that experience of helplessness and overwhelm can be tapped into in Yeah.

Molly Knight 20:03
Hmm. It’s incredibly complex the mind, isn’t it? So would where I wanted to go was talking about the the feelings of overwhelm and that we’re stuck with them, obviously, and all our past stuff and certainly, I guess a lot of people would be struggling with it. So what? The overwhelm or the stress response to this lead into things like anxiety, maybe panic attacks, even depression, weight, is it sort of run its course to if it’s not dealt with?

Anita Bentata 20:41
Yeah, yeah. We’re meant to be activated by our feelings and that mobilizes us into our instinctual behaviors that match the feelings that resonate with it, but when we’re in overwhelm that it gets interrupted and so And I’m happy to later after here I can put a picture in what I’m going to describe right now in the post, I can share a photo of a diagram of the defense triangle because our system when it’s in overwhelm goes into a defense mode. And in that defense mode, if you think of it like an upside down triangle, down the bottom is that natural activating instinctual responses and when there’s an anxiety in our system, because we don’t feel the support skills or safety to respond to it, the anxiety signaling, we’re separate from our instinctual response that there’s a block to it, whether and so what happens with the anxiety is, it’s an inhibitor, it’s there to inhibit our instinctual response because we’ve received verbally or non verbally some communication that it’s not okay to feel or think what’s going on for us so we don’t know how to be with the intensity of It. So then that anxiety is an inhibitor. And when we’re left with anxiety unaddressed for a long period of time, it leads to it very often leads to depression. The thing with anxiety being an inhibitor, is there’s other inhibitors to emotional pain, guilt, shame, adversity fear. And so that’s fear that shuts us down. disgust, you know, all of all, they’re all inhibitors, they’re not activating instinctual responses, the instinctual responses down the bottom of the triangle that that what we are needing to tap into, you know, in this situation with what we’re in, there’s eight human feeling activating responses yet they’re in the family, and you might have a one or a combination of them. But the two that I think are really relevant to right now, so that there’s a few more actually anger assertion that We need a way to be without our anger so that it can feel effective. Because right now, our anger is meant to be there to assert our our power and look after ourselves and protect us. But because of the directives were often that leaves us feeling helpless. What do I do with this anger? Because I don’t want to get fined or, or or something else. Yeah. And so then the next one I go to in that instinctual responses is positive sense of self where we’ve got self soothing skills, self compassion, self esteem, self confidence, but particularly in this instance, the self soothing skills. So if we don’t know how to be with that, then we feel more angry, or we feel more we go into the anxiety and the emotional pain of the helplessness and the overwhelm and the adversity of fear. So the end the other things that like grief and loss would be another one because a lot of people are not able to connect to loved ones and, and the connection to we’re social creatures and wanting to connect to each other. So when we feel that grief and loss, but then we go into the anxiety because we’ve got that helplessness and not overwhelm. And so then we feel like we’re just swimming around in this grief or this anger or this. Because we don’t know how to be with those self soothing skills to be able to get to a more generative place in ourselves. The other instinctual responses are like enjoyment, joy, which naturally gets affected right now, close endedness, which gets affected right now, the desire and fear terror. Now this fear on the instinctual responses is fear. that activates us to do something to make us feel secure, as opposed to the aversive fear on the anxiety poll, which shuts us down. And so it’s like if people have fear right now, I think it’s very often it’s flipping into the adversity of fear. Because there’s so many limits on what you can do with the fear. There’s so many restrictions. Now what happens when we’ve got that anxiety and that emotional pain, overwhelm and versiv fear is it’s unbearable to be there, because it’s associated with unthinkable thoughts and unbearable feelings. So our system because it can’t access the instinct, it goes across to the third point of the triangle, the defenses and there we have defensive beliefs and defensive behaviors. And one of them would be denial. Yes, yes. You know, for some people it would be drinking or other substances and you know,

Molly Knight 25:55

Anita Bentata 25:55
Absolutely. All of those kind of things. overworking, taking care of others can even be a defense getting so preoccupied about everyone else, that you’re not thinking about yourself. Or you might go into defense might be a self attack, being really judgmental on yourself and, or getting very angry at the world or, but some other things that can come up in the defensive pole is defensive anger. Now that’s different to the anger in the instinctual, on the instinctual ground. If when we’re on our instinctual ground, we feel a helplessness and a vulnerability. And we don’t have access to those healthy self soothing skills down there, as system will go into anxiety, it will jump out of that very fast because that’s unbearable. And it could very well go into defensive anger, which we’re seeing a lot right now in people’s communications with each other. And so it’s not the real anger. It’s, it’s the anger of I want you to stop talking about things because I don’t feel in control. And I feel more in control by getting angry than staying with my helplessness.

Molly Knight 27:08
Hmm, yeah. Fascinating, isn’t it?

Anita Bentata 27:11
Yeah, yeah. So even though it might seem like our brain and our stress and defense system are calm, complicated, they’re actually very clear and very simple. And it’s when you know how to be with the map, and how to bring in those resources, then things can shift very, very fast when you know how to support the brain and the body. Because I don’t know if you’ve heard this that people you know, there was a lot of therapists that, you know, started questioning, why don’t animals have PTSD, they get chased all the time. They’re in states of trauma all the time. So why humans have or not animals, and if you have a look at documentaries, you might See when an animal’s being chased by another predator, and it’s still alive, but it’s life signals go really low. And so then the predator might think, okay, I’ve got you, I’m going to just go get a drink or something, and I’ll come back and feast on you. And when there’s a bit of distance, the animal that’s being chased gets up, it shows this discharge of everything, and then it races off. And so the difference that we’ve understood is that the animal doesn’t have the conscious brain that says, Don’t be silly, don’t make that sound. Don’t do that movement don’t yet it we are, we hold on to everything we try and stay in control. And that keeps us locked in the overwhelm and in the stress responses. And so part of it is been able to become comfortable about allowing ourselves to be with the unthinkable thoughts and the unbearable feelings and supporting our brain and body to be with it. But what I came to realize is that a lot of the reason why people lose into trauma for so long, and spend way too long suffering or seeing a therapist, you know, going from therapist to therapist, is because they don’t understand how to be with their left brain, about how to interpret things and how to support the brain to move in beyond the habit of what our system knows. And so there’s specific steps that are clear and, and not complicated, but it’s just, it’s just unfamiliar for most people. And, and it works. It’s, it’s, it’s there’s a clear map, the brain isn’t broken. It’s just, we don’t know how to be with the overwhelm and it fits off this repetition. That’s quite Association. But when you know how to be with it, then you can set off that repetition Association only in regenerative generative ways. And you can feel amazing really quickly because the body doesn’t relate to the, the trauma, the way our mind interprets it, our mind will go, there’s so much history or intensity or whatever, it’s going to be really hard and long and difficult, but either the body feels something or doesn’t. And if you think about little children, when they’re in a secure environment, they will let rip with whatever is going on. And because they don’t censor or hold back, you’ll see them, let it out, and then they’ll be happy than in it. Because they can discharge it fully, and then move on. And so when the body can shift states quickly, it doesn’t have to do it in that left brain sequential, difficult, every detail kind of way when we connect the left and the right brain to the body.

Molly Knight 30:54
Mm hmm. Yeah, so well, it wouldn’t be appropriate for adults would it to let it all out like a child does, it wouldn’t be good in the workplace?

Anita Bentata 31:03
No. But if we can do it at home, we can be much more regulated out in the world when we know and when we can do it internally out in the workplace when we can be uncensored internally, and gather the information from that, and then be able to make different choices. And nine things correctly because I practice I see a lot of people miss label things and don’t even realize that they miss labeling things which creates more helplessness more frustration, because of the miss-labeling. And a common one that people do is they say, I’m lazy. And that, to me, is a huge mislabeling. And when they recognize their defense triangle, you know, the pattern that’s happening in their system and what’s happening in voluntarily because their systems got evoked into overwhelm. Then it’s like, okay, when I know how to support my brain and my body, I can understand that actually, my defense is actually serving a beautiful positive purpose for me, because it’s wanting to look after me. And it’s doing it in the best way it knows how from those earlier learned experiences. And so we can take that and go, it’s okay, we can make sure what you need to have happen still happens. But we can do it in a way that works better for all of who you are rather than this old habit that that is from a younger state.

Molly Knight 32:27
Would would most of these feelings or coping mechanisms have very you’re under seven you can under seven is you’re like a sponge. So everything you see your experience you just absorb. And you obviously have no mechanisms to make a value judgment on anything that you’ve seen, or heard or experienced. So is it fair to say that a lot of this stuff actually comes from those very formative years, where we have absolutely no control or ability to deal with anything. I mean, it could be quite innocent. But it’s how we perceive it, isn’t it? Can we take it on board?

Anita Bentata 33:16
Yeah, absolutely. Those first roughly seven years, we’re in a different brain state or hypnogogic state. So the words that are said to us are so powerful, and they get right in and we don’t have that differentiation between what’s ours and what’s not ours. And we’re picking up things in the unconscious as well as the conscious and because we live in a society that’s so conscious focused and doesn’t know how to engage with our non physical aspects, which is our unconscious but also our energy, our without energy where we’re not here. But energy became over the years like a woowoo thing, but it’s like without energy. We don’t exist And, and so attuning and listening and trusting our energy as well as how to connect between our conscious and our unconscious when we don’t have a society and modeling. I don’t think it’s just the seven year the first seven years I think absolutely a very significant, but I think when we have a society that continues to overvalue the left brain and not be with the right brain and the unconscious and the energy system and the body, then it gets reinforced and we have structures within the society that I think are breaking down right now because they’re not functional. They had to break down and the way that’s true, yeah, the way school is run, the way the power dynamic. That’s how our society run. For me in working with domestic violence. I was, you know, we’ve done so much awareness raising in the community, especially since Luke Batty was murdered. And for me I was looking at why is this so much awareness raising, but we’re actually not talking about different things. People are still after decades, are still talking about the same things and still don’t have the emotional muscle to recognize what’s happening in their own life or someone they know or in their community. They think it’s not there ifit and they can’t talk about it with family members or friends or, and and so it was like, for me, it’s not about the awareness raising. It’s about having those Mind Body skills to be with that and comfortable. But what I was also seeing is that we’ve got a society that walks on eggshells, and we’re seeing this right now with all the directives. There is so many people walking on eggshells, and I believe feeling self righteousness of I’m doing the right thing, which is very parental thing. You know, I, I’m doing the right thing. You do the right thing. I’m going to tell you off because you should be doing the right thing to. And it’s it’s that really young developmental experience as opposed to tuning into our body our unconscious, our reality of being able to be with the bigger picture. And it’s Yeah, it’s an active,

Molly Knight 36:17
it’s just frozen. But intuition feeling to all of this being a right brained feeling or experience, our intuition is so picture.

Anita Bentata 36:33
Sorry, because the audio is a bit jumpy. I just want to make sure I’m understanding you. So, because I’m suggesting that we live in a world that’s very left brain and how do we get the right brain into the picture? Is that what you were saying? You’re frozen again? So I’m not sure I can’t hear you. Maybe I’ll just say a bit of what I think because we live in a world that’s very left brained and very disconnected from the body in the right brain. We make inaccurate conclusions. And so I think, as I was saying, society is a reflection of what happens behind closed doors in domestic violence, I think we have the same pattern happening outside of domestic violence, as as we do in domestic violence. And so we’ve got this difficulty about being with our own power, and this bestowing of power on other people and this denial and accommodating one of the things about being the human species is we’ve survived because we’re so good at adapting. And so we keep adapting and adapting and don’t realize that we’ve actually moved so far away from being integrated with our whole self. And so then there’s an allowing and allowing of structures within society that are really unhealthy. So it had to break down from my perspective. And so what I understand Molly was asking me was how do we be with the the right brain in the world and incorporate both. So then for me if I use a specific example, if I think because I went through court for about seven years, and he ended up just getting the typical rights of any father, even though he was highly abusive to not only myself but to the children, and so they had a lot of trauma, but because the judge was saying, it was like my word against his word against my ex partners word. And because everything happened behind closed doors, when you focus just on the left brain, then you can’t trust something else. But when you be with the right brain as well, then you can know that there’s more going on. You can sense thismore going on, you can tap into more than the the physical things about what you see or what you hear. But you can tap into more about because we all have an unconscious and there’s a personal unconscious and there’s a collective unconscious. And we can tap into more when we’re connected to ourself and the whole of who we are. So then you’d be able to pick up certain things of information to do with other people. I pick things up when I first meet someone for a session, you know, sometimes it’s before they come into the room, or sometimes it’s as I opened the door to them, then I’m picking things up because I’m engaged and listening to my right and left brain because I’m engaged in listening to my conscious and my unconscious. So I’m getting information beyond what my left brain says. And so I can know more things. And so if we had a society where we were comfortable to we’d need to be more connected to resolving our trauma so that we don’t have those filters that block us from being with our body and our unconscious. And so then you can know more like I can pick up things when I’m working with someone. And that is a typical quality that we can all have the same as when my daughter was pregnant. And she called me one day because she was overdue to have a first child and said, Mum, can you help me work out what this unconscious block is because I really want to get this baby out. And so, you know, I drove over to her house, we did some work, we shifted the unconscious block. And then I said to her, do you want to maybe go back home or will I wait? And she said, No, go back home, I’ll call you and I was in you know, that means I’ve got to drive an hour. So I started driving an hour back home, and then about halfway home. I felt as if I was going into labor. Now I was not pregnant, it was my daughter. But because I’m connected to my left my right brain and my body, and I, I can pick up certain things. And so then when we’re in a society, society that can be with our trauma, so it doesn’t filter things, then we can be with the left the right brain, the unconscious and pick up more layers about what’s going on. So then I rang my daughter, and I said, is your labor pains have started every night? And she said, Yes. And so it’s like, so when you were asking before we got cut off again, about how do we bring in the right brain? Yeah, in this society, I was talking I gave the example regard with regards to domestic violence and going through the court system, where when the court system only focuses on the left brain, it’s only the facts of the right now, or if we look at the what’s happening right now in the world. There’s a lot of opinions and research that are manipulated to suit the people that are funding that research or whatever. And so if we just read the words on via the left brain, and we don’t feel, you know, a questioning to explore more, we’re not incorporating the right brained got the feelings can allow us to explore more, question more, go deeper and be okay with being with the uncomfortable feeling so that we can step into the unknown, because accessing the right brain allows us to access the unknown. The conscious of that is the left brain, the right brain is the body, the unconscious feelings, those things so then we can tap into knowing more through the unconscious because one of the other things I was saying, which I don’t know if you heard when you dropped out, was that we’re conscious beings, but we’ve also got an unconscious and there’s a collective unconscious, and we see aspects of that where sometimes there’s an invention on one side of the world, and at the same time, there is a very similar invention. On the other side of the world, there is this collective unconscious. And even this Institute’s like the heart math institute that looks at how we connect on that level beyond the left brain, we’ve got this brain in our heart and a brain in our stomach. And when we tap into those levels of knowing the information in our whole mind body system, then we can know more than what the left brain interprets as. And so then, if I was going in court in that kind of situation in my situation, then I wouldn’t get the outcome I got back then where it was like my word against his because it was all behind closed doors, and there’d be a bigger picture of going on because I was thinking about it. The other day when I was explaining something to someone where, you know, I had so many people, counselors, school teachers, family members, so many people did affidavits all about children’s distressing behavior and me writing as a mother about the things that my children said, and the behaviors and when contact was stopped temporarily how the behaviors changed. But none of that was valued because that the court system is but left brain focused and just wants some black and white proof. And that’s why we’ve got this dynamic, I think that people are stuck in in society right now. Because unless people see it, they don’t believe it. But one of the one of the ways out of being in overwhelm is to see what you want to see now, before before the believing of it, to support your system to move through what your left brain can’t conceive beyond, because when your left brain gets stuck, then we can get in this loop. And so it’s like being able to tap into the right brain and to be able to go beyond is really powerful. And I don’t know if you’ve read the book by Viktor Frankl, Man’s Search for Meaning. And he was a Jewish psychiatrist who was in a concentration camp in World War Two and he was separated from his wife. And you know, being a psychiatrist, he was looking at everybody and noticing as some people maintained their humanity and some people became like animals. And he was just studying it. And you know, it was excruciating. You know what he was going through, and he talks about, you know, walking through the snow, and if you fell down, there was a chance you’d be beaten to death. So you didn’t want to fall down, but you were starving, and you were in the snow and actually raising and not dressed warm enough. And so you know, you were very, very weak. And he remembers nearly falling one time and he knew that if he stayed down, or he did fall, if he stayed down, he would die. And so he started thinking about his wife and his love for her and feeling the warmth of the love and respect And feeling so warm and stronger by connecting to her that he could get up and he got through the war and he survived. She didn’t survive the war. But the other thing that he did to survive through through the war is he kept imagining the end of the war. And imagining writing a book about his experience and understanding the humans experience of Man’s Search for Meaning, and about the psyche. And so what he did, in a sense was, like a hypnosis seeing a future progression, to see himself beyond the terrible and by being able to connect beyond the terrible and be involved with that with feelings and with, you know, involving as much as you can, then your system can, can not get stuck in that overwhelm. So that’s one way of you know, of course, there’s, there’s other things that you can do, but on this platform, I just think that’s a really valuable thing. The more people can imagine what you what you will be like after this, and what this has offered you and what this you know, to see that it can really support you to stay uplifted. And when you think about something, what happens in the brain is it lights up the same areas of the brain is if that’s happening. And so if you keep thinking about the helplessness or whatever, you keep re traumatizing and reliving it. And if you can say to yourself, right now, I know what this feels like. So you’re not denying it. You’re not minimizing it by saying I know what this feels like. I don’t want to feel this right now because my life in this present moment is important to me. And I want to feel better and one of the things I guess I came to from my journey is I didn’t want my ex to control my happiness because he was doing the revenge of the court stuff. So it was like it became really strong for me is, I’m going to feel free in myself no matter what you do. And so this is a wonderful opportunity for us right now to how do we can stay in contact with our freedom. And how do we stay in contact with? Well, this might be happening right now and I might feel some helplessness. What can I focus on right now that can tap me into feelings of flow and well being connection love, because when you think about that, it lights up those areas of the brain, and so that you don’t have to wait to have it to feel it. But you valued yourself so much that you say, my life is important, right in this minute. I don’t want to have to wait six months or whatever, to be able to feel it. I want to feel it now and the more you keep practicing that, the more you can feel to me, what is the greatest freedom. And I think to on a conscious of consciousness level, that when we connect into what we can do, then we create more uplifting and it you know this research around the world about you tap tapped in a little bit to it before about the untapped power of our intention. And there was an investigative journalist two years ago, was really skeptical about the power of intention and she’s done. Lynne McTaggart has done numerous research about testing the power of intention. And when we can tap into that, there’s an amazing proof about the changes that we can make for the world, for our community and for ourselves. And so, you know, this is a real opportunity for people to to not deny it. What is going on and, and not minimize it? Like even because we know when we think about something, it lights up the same areas of the brain as if we’re doing it. So it’s like go for imagining, murdering whoever you want. No one’s in jail for imagining. Yeah, but we’re not talking about putting any steps in place. Yeah. But but it’s like it’s like what the child does when they play out that you know that thing that that with their dolls and they kill someone or something. It’s like, if we can let that anger have a discharge in a constructive way, without harm to SL for anyone else. And then we can go, Okay, I don’t want that the government controls my level of well being in this moment. I want to take charge of that. And it might be more difficult in this first moment, but I know that if I keep thinking about it, it can only get better and better because the more you focus on something We know it in the negative, the more we focus on helplessness and rage, the more we feel it. And so the more we go, Well, okay, if it’s that simple yet, if I can keep focusing on the things that feel good and do like Viktor Frankl that, you know, go future progression and go imagine what you know, what am I? How am I leaving when I’ve been unable to grow through this experience, been able to inhabit more of myself because we’ve got an opportunity when we’re not distracted by work and our two things to be able to tap into having our energy motivated from being who we are, because I think a lot of people are feeling quite down because their structure has been taken away from them and they don’t know how to be structured by their own life, energy and their own feeling of being We’re used to being shaped by school by work by relationships, and we feel lost because we don’t know how to be shaped by our own energy. And so when we’ve got helplessness and overwhelm, we then fall in a bit of a loop. Because we don’t know how to be shaped by that desire to want good things for ourselves, because we’re used to going along in that way that society says, This is what you do. You get a job, you have a relationship, you have kids or whatever. And and it’s an opportunity to be able to tap into who, who am i when i don’t have to be doing something? Who am I in my being and how do I look after my being so it stays uplifted no matter what’s going on around me?

Molly Knight 52:47
Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s really lovely. That’s lovely. So think positive thoughts in the sense of projecting yourself into your future that you want to create? Because we are powerful creators, aren’t we?

Anita Bentata 53:03
Yes, the thing is with positive thoughts. As I said, it’s not about denying the other. So it’s like you can say, I feel helpless and, and angry. And I know that feeling helpless and angry is just going to make me feel worse, and feel more frustrated and helpless. And I know I want to feel better. So I’m going to think of a better feeling thought, that doesn’t deny that but takes me so what I’m doing with each sentence that i’m saying is I’m starting with where I am. I’m moving one statement towards a better feeling rather than looping to the other. And then it’s like, what’s the next statement, I can feel what’s the next and it’s not about I am happy and all as well because that system can’t digest that because it’s not true, but it’s about going. The way I find that useful is about going into And it’s a new way of, of connecting to the positive of I love feeling free and full in my sense of purpose. And it’s not about I’ve got to feel that right now. But just connect to the times in your life when you felt that. Yep. And then automatically when you start thinking about that, it lights up those areas of brain but you haven’t had to use willpower to get yourself there yet, so you just go to then. Well, I don’t want to keep feeling that helplessness and frustration because it makes my day feel awful and I don’t want to feel awful. So what can I think about right now that uplifts me, it might be about a tree or someone you love or or your spiritual beliefs or, or an activity that you like doing that you feel a sense of capability in when you do it. And so you focus on what do I love about that? You’re not trying to convince yourself to be in it. But you’re just going to what do I love about that person, that activity, whatever. And as soon as you do that, and you connect into the experience of it, you’re there without trying to get there through willpower, or, or denying and convincing yourself and then you can feel this feels better. I like feeling like this. But for me, I think part of what helps to feeling better is to consider what are your spiritual beliefs? Because if we just believe in as the self, but our self has been denied a lot of power, or we believe in our government, and then government is misusing power, then what are we left with? I think a lot of people are in overwhelm because they’re disconnected from what is what spiritual belief, whatever it is, that can allow them to believe in something greater than the powers of the government greater than the power of what they can do in that this present moment, and to be able to tap into that, to be able to get that support to be able to have more comfort and more faith that everything will work out.

Molly Knight 56:16
`Okay. Okay, so you’re not specifically saying religions, it’s no, no spiritual connection to the universe to the whole.

Anita Bentata 56:27
Yes, I’m not talking about religion because I think there’s a lot of manmade power things within all of the religions that are a lot of procreate a lot of mixed messages. And it’s not that I’m saying anybody should not be religious, if that’s what uplifts them, that absolutely that’s their journey. But what I’m talking about now, religion is to me separate from spirituality. You can be religious and not necessarily be spiritual. You can be spiritual and not necessarily religious so when I’m talking about spiritual is your personal connection to that which is greater than whatever you would call. Some people might call it God some might call The Universe nature, whatever it is that you could creative life energy. `Yeah, so yeah, I’m not talking I’m not religious.

Molly Knight 57:21
But this is a great opportunity, isn’t it if we look at that the opportunity of the times that we’re in so that we can come back to ourself and, and really look at who we are and what we love with life, because life is definitely a gift. And we’re here for a short time. It goes quick, but you come to come home to come home to ourselves.

Anita Bentata 57:45
Absolutely. And it’s like, you know, I’m not a expert in history, but it’s like if I think of this in the evolution of mankind, there’s times when there’s been like the Dark Ages, and you know, that’s the opportunity to tap into something deep within us that we haven’t found. And that brings something amazing. Same as when I escaped domestic violence, I felt like I was in the darkest place. And I’d reach this rock bottom. But it was like this rock bottom allowed me to actually wake up to reality and be able to tap into my power. And so we’ve got this incredible power. So don’t let the government or what’s happening in the world define and restrict your connection to the untapped potential that you each have right now to connect to a power that’s greater than Dan Andrews that’s greater than Scott Morrison and all the politicians It is amazing what can unfold when you explore your connection to that which is greater than and tap into that power. And what I suggest when people are skeptical is experiment Don’t force yourself to believe something. But then also don’t. Don’t deny yourself the opportunity to discover something more than what you might already know. And so you know, I always say to people invite you to experiment, find out what happened, so that it’s not your left brain telling you or it’s not me telling you, what’s most meaningful is you to do some experiments so that you can get that feedback yourself for that’s the most powerful thing.

Molly Knight 59:28
Yeah, yeah. Because Yeah, when you discover things for yourself, they resonate, I think more deeply than someone just telling you something.

Anita Bentata 59:37

Molly Knight 59:38
Yeah. Well, that’s really great information. Thank you. Yeah, and I guess, acknowledging how you feel the truth of how you feel. Yeah, even if you just say I feel really crappy today. I don’t feel good. You may not be able to pinpoint what it is exactly. But just to acknowledge and honour those feelings because they’re real, and they’re part of you and then go, Well, how else can I feel? What else can I do? or not do but yeah, but how else can I feel? Think of something happy, something that you loved, that brings you out of those despairing feelings.

Anita Bentata 1:00:20
Yes. If I give a if I give a metaphor before we know time’s going on, if this flask represents the overwhelm, and initially when we’re with the overwhelm, our system says, I’ve got a disconnect from there. I’m going to act like it’s not there because it’s too uncomfortable and unbearable to be with. And if my flask is there, and I’m acting like it’s not there, I’m gonna trip over it and spill it. And that’s what happens with the uncomfortable feeling. Yeah, yeah, it’s connected because we didn’t know how to be with it. Now if I want to connect with it, so that I can process it. I’ve got to identify in my room this specifically, if I miss label it and say, Well, this is a container of some sort. I’m not going to be able to shift what was overwhelming, I’ve got the wrong thing.

Molly Knight 1:01:12

Anita Bentata 1:01:12
As soon as I can name it naming is so powerful. As soon as I can name it out of everything in my space or everything in my being, then I can connect to it. And once we connect to it, it can move. Things can’t get processed if we can’t connect to it. And so it’s not about needing to fix it or change it, but it’s about being able to be okay to connect to it. And yeah, but then if we get overwhelmed with being with that, then there’s the opportunity to, okay, I connect to this and then what that what’s the other thing that I can connect to, so that we’re not leaving that stone in the shoe? That we were taking it out and going okay, it’s overwhelming. I don’t like it. It’s helpless. What can I do right now, what can I focus on? It enables me to feel some sense of capability and some sense of soothing even if I don’t know how to be with that right now. So it’s a way of being able to engage with it, but feel a movement.

Molly Knight 1:02:20
Okay, so the triangle that you work with, does that show the different feelings? Because I think sometimes if you can’t, with your left brain connect to the feeling when you can see it, and it would often I think resonate, go, Ah, that’s it. That’s what I’m feeling. Hmm. So does your triangle sort of have that sort of info?

Anita Bentata 1:02:45
Yes, yes. A triangle is, um, it’s got the eight families of feelings at the bottom. Yeah. So every everything that a human experiences will be amongst those eight and unless unless it’s one of those anxiety ones because they’re not, they’re not part of the family feelings, their stress responses, their trauma responses that are in there inhibitors are feelings out activators are they active, have feelings activate a behavior. And so when we don’t know how to be without feeling, we get stuck about how to take action. And so that Yeah, but it’s all in that triangle. Yeah. Huh.

Molly Knight 1:03:29
Okay. All right. So you you’ve written a book

Anita Bentata 1:03:34
I have

Molly Knight 1:03:35
and you’ve got online courses. Can anybody connect with you online and do some work either as a consultation or part of any courses that you’re running online. Because I’m, I must say, I’ve really enjoyed what you’ve said, despite the fact that we’ve been disconnected a couple of times, but I’m really connected with what you say. And it makes sense to me to to recognize and own that feeling. And then you have some some skills or some you can learn through consultation how you can move beyond that. Yes. I think one of the things that I’ve learned over the years I’ve done a lot of a lot of work with personal growth and you, I don’t think you can get enough out of reading a book, I think, when you want to shift at a deeper level. For my experience, you need support to do that.

Anita Bentata 1:04:41
I agree. I agree. Because we can get a lot of insight but we’re often not aware of our defense pattern. And we often and I know for myself when I was doing the training that I did about trauma I so was into development and growth, you know, that’s why I was doing it. And I so wanted to transform my traumas. But when I was when you’re inside the trauma, you’re inside those coping mechanisms. And so even though myself at that time knew that I was safe, and that I’d be okay, when that was lit up, I didn’t feel safe, and I would shut down. And so I didn’t know myself, how do I be with that? Because when I’m inside that, that’s all there is. Though, being in relationship with someone is really, really helpful. And so yes, people can find me via my website or social media, and contact me I do do one on one consults. I have a one on one program. That’s five sessions where that’s all you need to learn for personal growth to be in charge of your own brain and your own body. And I do have a group programs. As I think you mentioned in the introduction, my Empower Program is a program for women. And with you know, it’s not necessarily for trauma or for abuse, you know from any range of stress or trauma in your life. These are the life skills I think everybody should been or benefit. I think we should have been taught this growing up organically and it’s just like learning to do up to shoe laces and drive a car. We need to know how to be in charge of our own brain and body and energy system. And so yes, I’ve got that the government funded program from the Victorian multicultural commission. We’re in the seventh week now so we don’t finish now till November but I’m really aware that there’s a lot of people struggling and so I am open to talking to women do jump in on the seventh week now if they want to rather than wait for the next round of the program. I’ve got a way of because I work from the feminie principle, say the left brain, which is very masculine principle, which is nothing wrong with the masculine principle. But when it’s not connected to the feminine principle, it makes inaccurate conclusions. And so the marriage between the two, and we’ve all got masculine and feminine principles within each of us. And so what I say to the women in my program is that the masculine principle would say, you’ve got to do the course sequentially, you’ve got to fit into doing it and kept cramming and catching up. If you’ve had a lot of trauma or stress, and you know, you that’s the only way you can do it. And when I say to the women is not you, I work from the feminine principle which is flexible, which is inclusive, which is responsive to you, so it can revolve around what you need, rather than you trying to fit into something else. I think society would work life better. For me, my understanding is the left brain the masculine principle is there to serve the right brain, the feminine principle, and so our feelings are meant to get taken out and the ideas and the tapping into creation and the unknown is meant to be supported by the masculine principle and take it into concrete action, the left Yeah, and they’re meant to work together and be aligned with each other. So, I’ve found a way with my program where it’s easy for women to jump in, even on week seven, and they’ll, they’ll be fine with learning the skills and women are experiencing that all the time. But if people want to stay in the loop for the next program, they can contact me for that as well. Unfortunately, I haven’t got a program, a group program for men, but if they wanted to contact me if they’d be interested in that, I’m happy to you know, create that a platform for that down the track or one on one work now.

Molly Knight 1:08:45
Yes, okay. So we’ll um if someone wants to join this course now, they just connect with you and you’ll work it all out with them. So we’ll have your links on our website. So people can conceive everybody looks under news, the link, you, you get Anita’s details so you can connect with her. And what was your book called?

Anita Bentata 1:09:13
The Wolf in a Suit I should have bought I’m terrible I can I can quickly run a grab it because it’s just

Molly Knight 1:09:23
Its an interesting title.

Anita Bentata 1:09:26
Yeah, it was because my partner was in a suit all the time. So it’s like

Molly Knight 1:09:32
the wolf in a suit. Yeah, very good.

Anita Bentata 1:09:34
So I use fairy tales in my book. The first part is my story. The second part I use, I think it’s 11 fairy tales, where I unpack the dynamics of relationships that are toxic, and I use a different fairy tale that I reinterpret to explain what’s missing in our understanding in the in the community. And so that’s the wolf in a suit. If people on my website I’ve also got an E book crazy making verbal emotional abuse explained. And so that’s where I go through 30 non physical tactics to do with emotional psychological abuse, and why people often think that they’re doing it, as well as they patented doing it. Well, they doing it and causing the problem this, I wrote that to help people to be able to sort the difference between the two. And that would be very interesting. Yeah. And I’ve also got another eight books, the ultimate formula for moving forward. And that’s the steps that I wrote out after I recovered. And I put in all of the steps and there’s some, there’s some important information in there and the editor that helped me with that said from his work with psychology said this is good for anyone, not just to me, domestic violence for anyone that’s feeling stressed, but if people do want to reach me, if they can email me from my website rather than Facebook message me because sometimes the other folder doesn’t show I found when people have contacted me for my online program. Sometimes that other folder didn’t show their messages if they weren’t friends with me. So email me at and I will reply very promptly.

Molly Knight 1:11:25
Is there a limit to how many people you can take on board? I think you’ll be inundated.

Anita Bentata 1:11:32
Well, I work from the feminine principle and I just stay receptive. And I think it will all work out and we’ll find a way and I, I just, I don’t like to presuppose what’s possible, I like to let things open and we’ll work it out. Oh, and we’ll see what we can do and I’m sure we can come up with something. So absolutely. I I just get really upset when I hear people suffering, when for me life is not about healing. Life is about living and being functional and creative. And the less you know, I just hear people spending so much time on managing stress, minimizing it or coping or it goes into the body and they, you know, get health problems because, you know, that’s where it goes when we keep managing it. Our mind can only do so much as we get older and accumulate more stress if we know

Molly Knight 1:12:38
more and more Yes, we get older.

Anita Bentata 1:12:40
Yeah, yeah.

Molly Knight 1:12:42
So all right, look, despite all the little hiccups tonight, it’s been an amazing talk, Anita and I’m very grateful that you came on and shared that with with everyone through the Health Australia Party. I thank you very much for coming and It as we said, we’ll have your links on our website under News so people can connect with you. And yeah, thank you. Thank you so much.

Anita Bentata 1:13:13
Thank you, Molly. I really appreciate your receptivity to be able to share a bit about the way I work and how it can support people. And if I just add just in closing, when the unit my program is all about doing things in an easy, gentle, fast way. And so even though this online program is 16 weeks, it’s more that the the women started sending me testimonials in week two about their health problems and the way they were responding to themselves and their children was significantly different. And that was just, they were organically sending me testimonials from week two, the shifts happen so it’s like, I just really wanna say that so people can know no matter what all of what I’ve said, change can happen easily, gently and fast. It really can when you know how to be with it in its complete form. So absolutely. So thank you so much, Molly.

Molly Knight 1:14:14
My pleasure. Thank you for coming on. It’s been a delight. Thank you, Anita.

Anita Bentata 1:14:19
Thanks, Molly.

Molly Knight 1:14:20
Good night. Good night, everybody. Thank you for joining us. I hope you’ve gotten as much out of tonight’s talk as I most certainly have. Good nice, stay healthy everyone stay well. Good night.


Dr. Julie McCredden PhD, President of the Oceania Radiofrequency Scientific Advisory Association Inc (ORSAA) spoke with Molly Knight on 20th August 2020 about the effects of EMR on cognitive processes in children and adults.

In her Facebook Live interview with Molly Knight, Dr McCredden discussed:

  • How wifi and mobile technologies work
  • If wifi signals affect biological systems and in particular, the brain
  • Whether children are more susceptible to EMR
  • The effects on wildlife and the environment
  • How you can keep yourself and your family safe
  • The way forward with technology in schools and education
  • Australian protection measures, are they adequate?

About Dr Julie McCredden:

Dr. Julie McCredden PhD is a cognitive science researcher and educational designer. She received a BSc (mathematics and psychology double major, physics minor) from The University of Queensland (UQ) in the 1980’s. Then she did her honours training and research in human perception (visual illusions and psychophysics) at the UQ and the Queensland Institute of Technology (QIT). She then worked in research into cognitive development and human reasoning at the UQ throughout the 1990’s. Dr. McCredden received her PhD in cognitive science (investigating neural network models of human reasoning) in 2001 from the UQ. Since that time, she has worked in both applied and theoretical settings at UQ and Griffith University, including investigating the limits to human working memory, exploring methods for helping engineering students to grasp complex concepts, and helping to introduce new technologies and pedagogies into university courses. It was through this latter experience that Dr. McCredden became aware of the discrepancy between the promise and the delivery of technology within educational settings, and of the underlying health risks of the ubiquitous roll out of untested new technologies across university campuses. Dr. McCredden’s current research interest is the effects of EMR on cognitive processes in children and adults. She is also working towards a Masters of Counselling, with an aim to combining environmental science, neuroscience and traditional psychotherapies so as to develop a holistic approach to treating adults and children with environmental sensitivities.


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Molly Knight 0:00
Welcome to Health Australia Party. I’m Molly. Tonight we’re welcoming Dr. Julie mccrudden. Julie has a PhD in cognitive science and cognitive psychology. And she has a master’s in counseling. So she wears a lot of hats. Julie, welcome to tonight’s Talk. Thank you so much for joining us.

Dr Julie McCredden 0:23
I’m very honored to be here, Molly. Thank you.

Molly Knight 0:28
Tell me Julie, how did you get from teaching university students and other students how to use technology? How did you get to this side of it where you looked at all the health effects of 5g and the electromagnetic fields?

Dr Julie McCredden 0:49
Well, I after my PhD, which was actually modeling the brain using artificial neural networks, I went to work in the real world for a while and came back to university And I came back to university working in an applied area, which is, was in education, trying to help lecturers to help the students to grasp difficult concepts. In particular, we thought that the time that use of technology would help facilitate this. I was part of the wave really, when first of all, we started getting lecturers to record their lectures on Blackboard so students could replay them. But then along came the iPad and we got over excited about what we could do with that. And we thought at the time that I thought at the time, along with other educational designers that we could use technology to help engage students and to help them to process information more deeply. Well, that was, that was the hype and for a while I wrote on that wave and believed it was happening, it was possible. But after a while, it became clear to me that it wasn’t making the young people smarter. And in fact, what I was seeing was this cut and paste them into reality, and an inability to build complex thoughts into thinking a linear, sequential, logical way, but rather, this kind of series of distracted thoughts from all different areas. And I thought this isn’t making our kids smarter. And I started to question what I was doing. And, and, but we were being wined and dined at the time by Apple in particular, who was donating lots of equipment and iPads to universities and schools. And they’ve been doing that in primary and high schools for decades. And so, so same with Google and Microsoft and running but running their own conferences, education conferences, making an appeal, like their education conferences, but they’re actually promotional conferences. Anyway, so I, I started to become concerned about the effects of this technology and I started looking into it. And I spoke with Victor Leach, who is an ex retired radiation officer. Now at the time, he was still working at the university and he told me about how the precautionary principle wasn’t being adopted. And he’d worked in ionizing radiation for decades. And they use the precautionary principle quite stringently there to keep the public safe but just wasn’t being used with this non ionizing radiation. And in fact, yes, it was really just open slather. Anyway, so I started looking into it. I didn’t believe him at first, because I was in love with my iPad. I was carrying it around everywhere. And I was trying to get lecturers to use iPads for studio learning where students could walk around and look at each other’s artifacts and mock them. Anyway. Cut long story short, I looked into the site And I went into shock, and started to see that there was really some serious harm being has been found and being suggested. And so consequently, Victor and I, and another person, Steve Weller, who used to be in an organization called stop smart meters in Victoria, but he’s, he has a degree in microbiology, we decided to form also because we thought the most important thing is to gather the science to actually prove, you know, to ourselves into the public, is there actually something to this? Because the debate was raging about debates always been well, the debates always been going on in the background in the public. And I went into shock, partly because I was promoting this technology. And I had lecturers under me who were trusting what I was telling them and thousands of students under them. And when I found out that there was harm Couldn’t believe that our authorities wouldn’t be telling us the truth. And moreover, that they would be covering it up. And it’s very hard to believe it’s, it’s very, very hard to believe in when you go into what you find out that this goes as high as the World Health Organization

and the compromising of the science and partly because the science is so complex, it’s very easy to pull the wool over people’s eyes. So that in fact, I have heard people from Telstra and from government say, Oh, the general public won’t be able to understand this. And they’re almost banking on the fact that people can’t and so I don’t believe people can’t I think people are logical, and it is possible to explain most scientific concepts in everyday language and that’s my intention now, to try and help educate people. So that They have an awareness and can then make an informed choice about what they do with their family and their children. And whether or not they get involved in this politically. And I’m so grateful to be here talking to Health Australia Party, because I understand that there are people who do I do see that helps, is number one before everything else if we don’t have that we don’t have a functional society or functional place.

Molly Knight 6:26
Exactly. Yes. Yes. So um, yeah, I love my iPad, and I love my phone because I feel safe when I go out at night and I’ve got a phone with me. I guess for me, I just need to know how to use it safely. That’s the big thing. So how, tell me how Wi Fi and mobile technologies actually work because although I understand the frequencies a little bit, I really don’t get how they do work.

Dr Julie McCredden 7:00
So what I’ll do is I’ll begin my talk by sharing my screen and I’ve got slides to help me answer these questions as we go. So

Molly Knight 7:11
lovely. Yeah. Thank you. Hey, so

Dr Julie McCredden 7:20
Okay. So the first slide there and I’ll just minimize myself on this screen or I might minimize this all Is that okay with you, Molly? I just use purely sorry. I’ve just minimize this all so you can see the whole screen without our photo? Yep. Yeah, that’s okay. Yeah. So I usually start my talk with explaining the natural global electromagnetic circuit that we all live in. Most people don’t realize that we are completely surrounded by moving charges through us and around us. What’s actually happening all the time, as we live and breathe is that from the sun is coming electromagnetic radiation in all different frequencies, and it comes down to the earth. And it wraps around the Earth, first of all making the plasma making the magnetosphere and then the X rays and ultraviolet rays being trapped up in the upper atmosphere. And the electrons being stripped and, and those stripping the electrons off the particles up there and creating a shield around the Earth called the ionosphere. And that wraps all the way around the earth. And then inside of that, in this in the lower atmosphere, we have some cosmic rays coming through from the sun, and we have radiation coming from the soil and the rocks. And all of those rays create the movement of particles, the most important force that creates a movement of particles, of course is lightning. Now, what happens is the the earth is actually negatively charged, and the sky is positively charged. And when we walk on the earth, our feet are negatively charged. And now head is positively charged, and it’s about 150 volts between our head and our feet, dipping their toe area. Trees bring up the negative charge from the earth up through their branches up into their leaves, and they attract the positively charged clouds to bring the rain. And that’s why when we cut down the trees in the forest, we don’t get rained because we don’t have the trees attracting the clouds. And then there’s the lightning discharging this sorry, so there’s this you can see this, this flow going round and round and the lightning discharges the positive down to the negative and it’s it’s actually striking The Earth It’s hard to believe this, this actually striking the earth at 100 beats per second somewhere on the earth. What? Yeah, what is it doing? every second, every second somewhere in the earth, there’s about 100 lightning strikes somewhere around the earth. And what actually happens is it sets up this pulse that goes around the Earth inside the inside the lower atmosphere, it’s pulsing. And it’s actually pulsing at around eight cycles per second at eight beats per second, which is also called eight hertz. And that is the same frequency as the alpha waves in our brain. This frequency happiness, it’s called the Schumann resonance. It has eight and then it has some other higher frequencies as well, but all seem to correspond with brain frequencies. The Schumann resonance is actually essential for life and this constant flow of change. is essential for life. When the Schumann resonance also is important for the replication of DNA, and it sets our sleep wake cycle. And these charges that are moving through our bodies are creating electrical currents that are gently moving through our bodies are essential for all of the biological and electro chemical processes going on through our body. If we muck around with the global electromagnetic circuit, we are mucking around with this beautifully balanced delicately balanced system. And so we are mucking around with it.

Molly Knight 11:44
Yes, we are out with

Dr Julie McCredden 11:45
so yes we are so what we’re actually doing is man made electromagnetic fields are actually surrounding us now. And on the left hand side this is actually in an artist’s in question of what it would look like if we could see the men made electromagnetic fields that were surrounding ourselves by, if you take a one and put 18 zeros after it, that’s how much stronger than men made radiate electromagnetic radiation is compared to the natural background radiation.

Molly Knight 12:19
It’s an image that’s massive. Its massive.

Dr Julie McCredden 12:22
And there’s a lot of concern because birds and bees use the magnetic field of the Earth to navigate and we’re actually blinding them by blanketing it with this man made system. And on the right hand side I have my non artist’s impression of what it’s like for a child sitting in school. So he we have perhaps the cordless phone in the corner which is putting out an on the teacher’s desk, which is putting out a square wave, which affects the heart. We have their mobile phone in their pocket connected to the local tower. So you Here amongst, we have the signals from those mass beaming into the school and often you find massive towers right next to schools, the mesh on the ceiling that sending the the broadband signals down to their laptop, and they’re being exposed to this five hours a day at school and several hours more at home. Oh, and as well as that there’s the satellites, which are damaging the ionosphere, sending signals down to the GPS, and to fix that light if you’re living in the country. So the question is, is this affecting the kids? So I’m just gonna explain very briefly, because the next question is, are you next question is, what is electromagnetic radiation? Is that right? Correct. Yeah.

Molly Knight 13:49
It’s so complex. I’ve looked at it so often and it’s just like, Well, okay, it’s double dutch to me.

Dr Julie McCredden 13:58
Well, yes, I mean, and Dutch That’s partly why it’s so hard to, to come to terms with it. But hopefully the pictures will help. So if we understand that at the center of the sun, there’s these. There’s these radioactive emitting processes going on nuclear processes where energies being released. And energy gets released in forms of photons, or waves, depending on which way you look at them. It’s both. But anyway, let’s just say that they’re waves and they’re coming from the sun in all different wavelengths. This is a long wavelength. And these are short wavelengths. And long wavelengths have low frequency frequencies, how fast it goes up and down. So a long wavelength goes up slowly and down slowly. So that’s got a low frequency. And short wavelengths have go up and down very fast and so they have high free The lowest now so most of the energy that’s coming from the Sun is actually coming the electromagnetic energies coming in the visible light spectrum, which is wonderful because that’s important for life on Earth, we’re getting all that beautiful visible light and all of the different colors of the rainbow. And then we get a fair bit of ultraviolet and x rays. And, but we don’t get very much we get a little bit of infrared, but we don’t get very many microwave frequencies, and we get radio waves as well. But this end of the spectrum, we don’t get very much at all, only a tiny, tiny, tiny little bit. The waves that we mostly get are up here, because then the ionosphere protects us from everything else. But down here, these this is where the man made frequencies are being placed in the non natural spectrum and the lowest frequency or the longest wavelength length wave. So the radio Waves there, they can be hundreds of kilometers long. The long ones actually travel further, because they’re slow, they actually penetrate. And they just carry further through the atmosphere. The short ones don’t travel very far at all. But so here we’ve got radio waves. And then as the as the wavelength gets shorter, and the frequency gets faster, then these are about the length of the height of skyscrapers. These radio frequencies, which are the microwave radio frequencies used for 3g and 4g, they are about the length of human limbs and the size of human heads, which is unfortunate because that means that they’re maximally absorbed by those things. And then as we get to shorter wavelengths, which is their centimeters long, and then even millimeters long, that’s when we’re getting into the 5g spectrum and they’re at the size of it. canals or the length of insects. So that’s the spectrum. Now, you might often hear that, oh, this, these frequencies can’t hurt you because they’re non ionizing. You hear Oh, only ionizing rays can harm you. Now, that’s not true. It is true that non ionizing rays do cause DNA damage. And they do cause cancer. But just because these aren’t ionizing, it doesn’t mean that they don’t, doesn’t mean that they, they can’t cause harm. Now, what does it mean to be ionizing? Well, these rays here, they’re the ones that will strip an electron off an atom. One, you can, you can bombard something with x rays and gamma rays and they will strip an electron better Kind of like a one to one reaction you’re talking about one particle being dislodged, or one component being dislodged. These don’t do the stripping. But what they do is they create a force field that still moves charged particles. And I’ll show you that in the next slide.

Every electromagnetic wave has two components. It has an electrical component, and a magnetic component. And in radiation, these two things work together. They’re they’re in sync, and they’re proportional to one another. Now, it’s mostly the electric field that we talk about. And it goes positive, negative, positive, negative, why is it called a field is called your field because everything’s lining up all the positive, everything’s going up in the same direction, and then down in the same direction, up in the same direction. That’s how the force is moving everything in these parallel. They’re described by parallel vectors, and that’s why they called field. So how does a microwave work? Well, this is how it actually works. Because of this positive negative positive negative movement of the electric field. It’s actually moving water on a slightly negatively charged more towards the oxygen side, and hydrogens on the other side is slightly more positively charged. And so what happens is when the field is going up and down, and up and down, it’s actually moving oxygen, up and down and up and down. So this makes the water molecule vibrate, which heats your food. So that’s how microwaves work. So it’s actually not about stripping electrons anymore, but it’s about moving charged particles inside molecules. And more than that, when molecules are inside structures like water, this is water here with a whole lot of oxygens, and hdos hydrogens and oxygen so you can see these hydrogens here attract this oxygen here. It’s up to oxygen here and tracks. hydrogens here, when you start mucking around, that’s this and that creates the structure of water. When you start mucking around with how these, you start moving these around, then you’re actually changing the structure of water. And this becomes even more important when you’re looking at compounds making up complex molecules in our system such as such as proteins, because protein folding is dependent on where the positive sit and where the negative sit, and that’s what makes proteins stick together. So one of the things that microwave radiation is known to do and in particular 5g frequencies is to unfold proteins. And that’s not good. So I asked you as a practitioner, would you say is that is that good, Molly?

Molly Knight 20:50
I would think that’s not good. So what would you say to someone

Unknown Speaker 21:00

Molly Knight 21:02
Sorry, did we just get disrupted? Yes, I didn’t hear him. Yep. So given that the human body is mostly water, um, that, to me without the knowledge that you have, I would have to say that that’s got to be quite destructive to the human body. Yes. Be in these fields.

Dr Julie McCredden 21:23
Yes. So it’s, you can see because what we’re doing is we’re actually mucking around with the building blocks of, of what makes our tissue and muscles and all of the processes in our body work. It’s not that we’re particularly giving anyone any particular disease, what we’re doing is mucking around with the bricks and the mortar

and which is you know, the proteins in the water.

So, in that way, this is where we actually need a paradigm shift in health because traditionally, medicine is CERN with biology and chemistry, they think about cells and they think about chemical reactions. They, they do know medicine does know that all the chemical reactions are based on charges and sharing of charges and you know, needing to fill valence shells of atoms and molecules, but they don’t think about that very much. It’s mostly biology and chemistry. And on the other hand, we have the physicists and the engineers who are creating the electrical grid and the mobile phone technology systems and they don’t know anything about biology and chemistry. In fact, for a lot of them, it makes them squirm. And that’s why they went off and did physics at school. The problem is, and they’re not, they’re not bad people. They’re just ignorant. And so what we actually need to understand what’s happening right now on planet Earth is we actually need to understand how those three systems interact. Nature doesn’t say, Oh, I only care about biology. I don’t care about physics. Therefore electromagnetic fields are not going to harm me because I’m not physics I’m biology. Nature is not like that nature is holistic. We have these tiny little electric currents going through us turning into chemical reactions, and it’s happening interchangeably all the time. neurons in the brain of electrical impulses going to neurotransmitters are Hardys electrical reactive, but if you muck around with the chemistry in the heart, you will muck around with the electrical activity. Most biological reactions and the biochemical reactions in the body due to rearrangement of charged particles. For example, there’s the electron transport chain and the membrane of mitochondria, which creates a proton gradient which is important for ATP for energy. So everyone knows that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. So if you start mucking around with what the electron transport chain is doing, which is known that fire GE will do as well, then you’re going to be affecting the production of energy and and the uptake of oxygen. So it is a paradigm shift. And people in biology and chemistry will need to come to terms with physics. And people in physics will need to come to terms with biology and chemistry if we are to survive on this planet.

Dr Julie McCredden 24:22

Molly Knight 24:25
yeah, it’s um, I guess it’s like in medicine, they have all the specialties so the heart specialist or the the rheumatologist and so on and they don’t necessarily look at all the bits together neither. So you don’t get an overall view. And so it’s the same sort of thing,

Dr Julie McCredden 24:42
isn’t it? Yeah, that’s right. And it was only really in the 70s. When people started to understand that, you know, living near high voltage power lines was affecting the body. And because children who were living the high voltage wire All had Transformers near their house on poles near their homes, they were more likely to have leukemia. This is like these are low frequency electromagnetic fields. But it really started there this understanding that they are affecting us. And the science has been growing, but it’s still not taught in medical school. And that’s unfortunate because there’s so much of it around. The doctors need to know. And partly and alternative medicine practitioners also need to know So, yes, so here we are.

Molly Knight 25:36
Yeah, that’s right. It’s it’s certainly not, not well, not well looked at at all and not well understood. And I guess there’s probably reasons by companies that have something to gain by perhaps keeping information separated, I guess.

Dr Julie McCredden 25:58
Yes. I have watched a YouTube video clip written by a woman who used to work at Harvard. And she was actually asked on two occasions to write about the effects of electromagnetic fields on health for a medical textbook for two different medical textbooks. And on both occasions, just as she had finished writing first the chapter or the couple of paragraphs for the book, it was pulled for no reason. Yes, so that’s why doctors haven’t heard of it because it’s actually been taken out of. And in one case, it was the whole chapter was pulled in the other case, I think she ended up getting one or two sentences and that was all.

Dr Julie McCredden 26:44

Molly Knight 26:47
just makes me very sad that these things happen. So Julie, you said with the power lines, which is obviously affecting children more, is it the same with 3g? 4g 5g, I would expect the children are more susceptible.

Dr Julie McCredden 27:05
Well, it hasn’t been well researched. But I’ll show you what we know so far. And so first of all, last year out came the the Blue Cross Blue Shield, just an insurance company in us their annual report. And it showed that the health of young people in the US is now starting to decline at age 27. At 27, that’s when it’s starting to take a dive weeks, we would be expecting them to say 57 around my age, but no, it’s actually 27. And what they showed that they actually looked at the health of Gen Xers and millennials and they found that the millennials was significantly more unhealthy and that we’re only talking, you know, a time period of four years there. Talking about that within the last three years, there’s been a 15 to 30% increase in major depression, type two diabetes, hyperactivity, cardiovascular conditions, digestive conditions and 20% more for women with the protein, depression, diabetes and other endocrine issues. Now, what has happened in the last three to four years has lifestyle change that much has smoking change that much has the amount of chemical toxins that people are surrounded by change that much. All of these things have changed slightly. But the one thing that has changed drastically in that time, is the ubiquitous uptake from 2013 to 2017. of of Wi Fi technologies and smart devices by young people in schools and work in universities. It’s an element In the room. Similarly, when we look at the cancer map of the world, people probably don’t know this because it’s not publicized that Australia has the world’s highest cancer rate, and New Zealand’s second highest. And a Victorian report that came out last year showed that brain cancer is now more prevalent in children less than 15. And it’s the biggest cause of cancer death in children, it’s overtaken leukemia. The causal factors for for what’s causing this cancer in Australia are obviously not being well managed, and radiofrequency electromagnetic fields, which is all the microwave technologies that I’m talking about telecommunications, that’s one of the factors. And so, as I said, it’s an elephant in the room and it needs to be discussed and that’s why we’re here,

Molly Knight 29:54
sir does and you hardly see a teenager or younger without Have a mobile phone on them? Yes,

Dr Julie McCredden 30:01
this is a typical, this is the typical image that you see. And

see when we were young, oh say back in the day.

My parents said, sit six yards wasn’t meters and you just sit six yards back from the television, something like that. And because they knew that there were electromagnetic fields coming from the TV, so now what we’re doing is we’re putting almost like putting a television in our pockets and walking around with it all day. People are forgotten. So I’ll just cover the research now and my in my particular area of interest is the brain and the emotions. So there’s a whole lot of different health effects that could be discussed here. I’m not going to discuss cancer anymore. It’s a whole issue on its own. And often the focus is on that but there are all these other health effects. going on, that needs to be brought to people’s attention. So I’m going to cover mostly the brain starting with Okay, so what’s the evidence so we’ve military research was done in the 1970s. Now you know, you need to believe military research because they don’t muck around, even back then. Even back then a couple of thousand papers, looking at the effects of microwave radiation results showing neurological pathologies resulting from breaching of the blood brain barrier, headache fatigue, irritability, agitation, tension, drowsiness, sleeplessness, anxiety, forgetfulness, lack of concentration, and the ability to control control externally by sound effects. Then we have the bioinitiative report in 2007. And then again in 2012, which is a collection of papers and a report compiled by a group of independent scientists when we say independence. Scientists we mean scientists that are not affiliated with industry in any way. A couple of dozen of them from around the world have gotten together and created this report with its own update in 2012. And these are the main sections of the report showing children and more vulnerable effects on autism. electro hypersensitivity. Oh sorry, I’m going to just disconnect for him effects on the blood brain barrier, brain tumors, nervous system, Alzheimer’s disease, and synchronize neural activity. So all of these effects have been known and they’re documented I recommend, if you want to start reading, go into that report and read, even if you just read the executive summary and look at the tables in the back showing all of the effects classified into these categories and where they occur. It’s very, very well written very easy to read.

So then along, we came also. And we’ve actually compiled a database, our own database of papers, and classified them. So we’re a group of scientists, researchers and clinicians. It’s a not for profit organization, but it’s a recognized scientific organization. Association, sorry. And we’ve been looking into the health and biological effects of wireless radiation and we want to know other effects. And if there are we need to tell people about them. But where are the effects? So with the database, we don’t just put them all in one big blob, they’re actually classified. So in there, we’ve got the in vivo papers in vitro papers. So in vivo means live live animals or live humans live plants, in vitro is in test tubes and Epidemiology is when you do counts of people living around a tower to look at their effects. And we have all of the papers that we’ve been able to find From the year 2012, and then we’ve worked backwards to the beginning of this century. We’ve also got a collection of Henri Lai, who’s a famous researcher, he sent us his whole collection. And we have all of our pens as papers in here now Panzer is the Australian radiation protection body that is that advises the government on the standards. And we’ve taken all their papers and looked at them to see if you can see here, when you look this this to me, this table is the proof because these are all the papers showing effects went out of search of 2003 papers, when we look for those papers that show effects. So 52 papers showing brain tumors, six papers, breast cancer 220 biochemical changes 38 fatigue, immune system 65 oxidative stress, this is the biggest one 256 pages Papers, if you know oxidative stress in Mali, which you probably do, oxidative stress underlies many, many conditions, cardiac conditions and autoimmune conditions, such as diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease, depression, many, many different conditions are affected by oxidative stress. And it’s the biggest effect that we’re seeing, except for altered enzyme activity over here, but this is this is a huge effect. And when we looked at our Panzer, they didn’t look, they didn’t classify oxidative stress, it was like they had a blind spot for it. But you can see 157 papers showing DNA damage, mutagenic and genotoxic effects. So

Molly Knight 35:50
behavioral effect as well.

Dr Julie McCredden 35:52
So they’re the ones I’m interested in the neuro behavioral cognitive things 194 papers. So you can see this is quite serious. I’m extremely, and I can go to our database, see their www, there’s also there’s the website, you can go there, our database is free, you can go there and search, do searches in the database for anything that you’re interested in. And, and you can download the papers in, see a list of papers in CSV form, you’ll get the, you’ll get a whole lot of different bits of information, you’ll get the abstract the URL, the author’s, whether it’s industry funded or not a whole lot of information about the paper.

Molly Knight 36:33
Yeah, that would be interesting.

Dr Julie McCredden 36:35
Yeah. So if you just look at the main effects, if I just list them out simply, these are all effects of non ionizing which is you know, microwave radiation, and it’s also low frequency as well. So once again, the ones that I’m interested in are the oxidative stress neurodegeneration, changes in neurotransmitters, blood brain barrier, cognitive function and developmental impacts. But as you can see, there are other various piercings on mitochondria and DNA damage and damage to sperm that you can you can see a kind of very important to the propagation of the species. So if I go into the author database, and I just put in a search term for example,

these terms

these are the papers that that I’ll get out under each term and Orange Show the effects and blue show the papers that show no effects. So if I type in cognitive, they’ll get just I get about 90 papers showing effects. And about we’ll see 2040 about 45 papers that are showing no fix. Depression most of the papers show affects your eye transmitted alterations they all show affects anxiety. Most of the papers show affects memory and hippocampus. Interestingly anxieties the biggest issue in schools today it’s overtaken others Issues like autism, developmental problems and, you know, refugees, it’s now kind of the number one issue that that teachers and principals are having to deal with.

Molly Knight 38:13
Is their age related during any? Like, is it more primary or high school kids that are affected or uni?

Dr Julie McCredden 38:20
It’s both. I’ll go I’ll go. I’ll show you some of the papers later on. In particular, I’ll go into some detail of the papers that have been looked at with anxiety, but it’s both and even young children. And if we if we go and look for papers on children, adolescents, there’s 81 papers 22 of them show effects of radio frequency, microwave radiation, nine show no effects and 15 show uncertain effects, which means we can’t tell one way or the other we need more research. You can see there’s not a lot of papers on this. The effects on children and adolescence hasn’t been studied. Well, and there haven’t been any studies on the long term biological fix. And that’s so surprising given that this technology’s being propagated and rolled out left, right and center surrounding children night and day from the cradle to the grave. And the studies have not been done.

Molly Knight 39:20
Well, it’s Yeah, it’s, um, it’s quite staggering, that the studies aren’t being done. And I guess from a business perspective, if the studies were done, it may put a damper on rolling out all this technology. Exactly, exactly. In fact, when

Dr Julie McCredden 39:37
we go into the database and look at the papers that have been back here, I show you when we look at all papers together, we did a study a couple of years ago, out of almost 2000 papers, 67% of them showed a fix. But then when we looked at who was funding the papers, the papers that have funded by industry are more likely to show no effects. The palace founded by independent institutions and government bodies are more likely to show effects and it’s a very, very significant difference you can see between those two groups. So, if you look at the details of the paper and I’m not going to go in one by one and look and describe every paper and what they did, but here you can see the numbers of people in the study. And these are these are children all these are effects on children. And what was found so 2042 in Taiwan, headache and migraine 781 in China, fatigue with mobile phone usage in New Zealand 370 increased risk of headaches, feeling down waking in the night sleepiness at school and tinnitus. 94,000 almost 95,000 people in Japan After lights out if you’re using your mobile phone, shorter sleep duration Poor Sleep, sleep during the day and insomnia 1500 about 1500 children in both area exposure to these frequencies and conduct problems for both adolescents and children. 28,700. This is the Danish national birth cohort, they looked at mothers who were exposed while they were pregnant and then afterwards, and when they they had were using cell phones in both time periods. There were more behavioral difficulties that is hyperactivity and attention, emotional symptoms, peer problems, conduct problems and pro social behavior problems. This is a study remember, that’s huge. This is a study with mice showing it doesn’t mean they were all affected. It just means that that effect was significant. Yes, this this study with my sexual They showed that they had changes very, very similar to ADHD. And this then so then this was a follow up study looking at that with boys. And they found that boys who lived the new neuro trend sorry new radio frequency transmitters, they actually had reduced verbal expression. And they had a more more likely to have obsessive compulsive and post traumatic stress disorder. Then control sets at 123 boys in Spain in 2016.

Molly Knight 42:31
between nine and 11 g

Dr Julie McCredden 42:33
Yeah, that’s all huh. Here we go. And I won’t go into the numbers we can see the numbers down there reaction time attention focused attention, memory, perception, neuromuscular and cognitive function that’s perception, light and sound recognition, attention, semantic memory, that’s understanding of the meaning of of words, increased fatigue, and all cycles. So slowly psychosocial logical indicators were affected by safer use of devices. So it made a difference whether they had safe use or not of the devices. Memory affects more memory effects. This is figural memory, which is spatial memory. And eg so that’s brainwaves and memory tasks showing that there’s a 48 hertz or saying eight hertz before that’s the alpha waves. Yes. And eg frequencies during processing of auditory memory and memory search tasks. So I want to show you in particular one study was actually done is a very, very clean study because you can’t you can’t sign up children to an experiment to expose them to radiofrequency radiation, right? It’s not ethical. Though you can put a tower next to their school and no one has to ask any questions. So there isn’t, there is a global experiment going on with ethical clearance being handled in the lab. But this study was actually happened just just serendipitously because there were all these ICBM missile stations, detection stations in the Eastern European countries, this student to in 1971 and the late 1980s 1990s, his schoolchildren were exposed because see here, these were the ICBM, radar pulsed radar was being sent out to detect whether missiles were being were incoming, and on the slope here. There were children living in the homes here. And then there were children living behind the radar. And so it was possible to compare the effects on these children with the effects on these children and they also had another group of children living in a town nearby. Now this is a very clean neighborhood. They weren’t chemical toxins. It was very rural, everything was just clean and pristine and simple. So really the only fix that were happening on the children was this pulsed radar. First of all, when they looked at it, they found that actually, when you look at the children looked at the children who were living on that hillside, there were 25% less grade nine boys alive in that exposed areas. And as an aside, they also fix on pine trees and cows in this area. And this radar was post and it was had a phased array type of structure, which is like 5g, though it had a lower frequency than what 5g is. And these were the results of the study. I won’t go into it in detail, but you can see the graphs between these are the exposed and these are the unexposed. This is their reaction time how long it takes to react to something, females, males. So you can see the females who were exposed were taking longer to react to the stimuli than the females who were not exposed. Same for the males. And overall, the exposed group slower, because their reaction time was great. It meant there was slower reacting. Yes. This one is there tapping. So they’ve just asked to tap left, right, left, right, left, right. Like this. How, how able, were they to continue that and do it accurately? Well, this is the age group along here. Okay. And once again, this is their rate, how fast they could go. So these are the nonexposed. And these are the exposed children. This is such clean data, you don’t get data, so cleaning experiments that there is no overlap. It’s just consistently lower. Yeah, yeah.

Molly Knight 46:53
quite significant.

Dr Julie McCredden 46:54
It’s very, and this is their capacity of their working memory. That’s the memory Use for thinking problem solving, planning decision making. So this is how how many you know how much complexity they could do in their thinking, expose children you can see right down here, really, really low capacity compared to these are the ones in front of the radar. These are the ones behind the radar but still living in town. These are the ones living in the town nearby not exposed at all.

Molly Knight 47:28
Wow, that’s a huge difference. Yes,

Dr Julie McCredden 47:31
this is really, really quite concerning. We don’t have working memory. We don’t have adult thinkers and problem solvers for the problems of the world that we will be facing in the future. So needless to say, I’ll just go back here. When this was dismantled, when you know the Eastern Bloc countries dismantle the ICBMs the Latvian government got in an American corporation to come in. Blows The radar up the towers up and all the people went out in the streets and clink their glass of champagne glasses and celebrated.

Dr Julie McCredden 48:09
A bit surprising.

Dr Julie McCredden 48:13
So my concern is the hippocampus in particular, because that’s a part of the brain, that little blue place. It’s called hippocampus because it’s supposed to be shaped like a seahorse. And it’s really important for short term to long term memory transfer. So that’s laying down of memories. What I’m telling you now, your hippocampus will be tonight, actively storing that into your long term memory in other parts of your brain. If you go to sleep, if you don’t go to sleep, it won’t do its job. It’s also really important for spatial memory and spatial memory is what we use for navigation. But it’s also spatial memories also used to tag memory. Because it’s part of memories, remembering where you were when something happened. And that’s a really important aid in retrieving the memory later on. And if spatial memory goes, then we have problems with navigation. And we have problems with memory retrieval. And he became says also where new cells have been generated. And so if you get damage to the hippocampus, we know that that’s implicated without timers, depression, bipolar disorder, and the ability to create memories. So here we have a couple, I’m going to show you a couple of studies with rats where they’re looking at the hippocampus. And what they do is, these are called water mace studies. So they drop a rat into a tangle of water. And then the rat has to find a platform because when gets the platform it can get out redstone like swimming around in water. They try and get out and it learns using its spatial memory in his brain, it learns how to get to that platform. That’s That’s what a healthy rat does. But if you expose the rats to 900 megahertz, which is the frequency is being used all the time for communications, the control ones who weren’t exposed show no effects after 14 days of exposure, no effects, but after 28 days of exposure, their spatial memories impaired. The author’s said what they saw was blood brain barrier damage in the hippocampus and in the cortex. And they also said that oxidative stress was probably a huge factor in this. And here’s another study where I’ve particularly chosen this because it’s got pictures of the mitochondria. Once again, the rats were being trained in the water maze. And they were exposed six minutes a day for either two and a half days, five days, sorry, sorry, to either two and a half five or 10 megawatts per centimeter squared from one day up to one month and so they looked at the Strength of exposure and they looked at different lengths of exposure. And they found for the rats who had longer exposures or higher exposures, they were unable to find the submerged platform. And the hippocampus cells were damaged, reduced in numbers. The vesicles were congested and hemorrhaged. And the mitochondria was swell and disordered. So there’s a nice healthy mitochondria, and there’s a swell and damaged mitochondria. The authors said there were alterations in the structure and function of the hippocampus. There were altered levels of neurotransmitters in the hippocampus, and this disrupted learning and memory ability. And so if we go to an overview paper done by the military research in 2015, I once again as I said, the military don’t muck around Partly trying to look at microwaves to see what damage they can do to people so they actually, or what damage can be done to their people. So they look in great detail and they studied people you know, they studied facial expressions and eye dilation heart rate everything in great detail in animals and humans. This was this review paper says as the fourth largest source of pollution after air, water and noise, the fourth largest microwave radiation induces many biological effects. The brain is the most sensitive target organ, and here mitochondrial injury occurs earlier and more severely than in other organs. So if you don’t believe anything else, believe the military if you don’t know which scientists to believe, you know, should I believe Dr. Julie mcraven, from alsa. Should I believe our Panzer scientists should I believe Professor Rodney Croft when he’s on the television saying there’s no harm. You might be confused but all I can say is believed the military, they don’t muck around. And this is what they’re saying. And, and for those who care about the pollution of the planet, they’re actually saying it’s the fourth largest source of pollution after air, water and noise. Yeah.

It’s quite serious,

Molly Knight 53:17
very serious. And it’s more serious because nothing’s being said about it. Yeah, that’s right. Nothing’s

Dr Julie McCredden 53:24
being done. That’s right. It’s a silent stealth. Attack, would I say attack? I mean, it might be conscious or unconscious, but it’s really the source of continual damage to everything that produces life on the planet. So people ask about, you know, will a local base station harmy the tower that they’re putting up the street. So this was a study done in Bavaria in 2011. And the people in that town were actually coming cerned about the tower. And so because of that, they decided to have tests before the tower went up. And then afterwards I had urine tests and blood tests, and they looked at their hormones and neurotransmitters. Now, half of the participants in this study were children. Okay, so there was a tear installed in 2004. And of course, different people being exposed to different amounts depending on where they live, because if your house is directly in line of sight of the tower, you’re going to get more exposure than someone down below in a galley or someone behind other houses. Anyway, so they looked at the people. So the more exposure this is what they found this so this is before and then this is six months after a year after and a year and a half later after the tower went up. And this here is the level of neurotransmitters now what happened this is a typical graph. So stress hormones, adrenaline and noradrenaline, they grew significantly. dopamine levels decreased phenylethyl aiming decreased. And there were problems with sleep 30 CO concentration and allergies. And overall, the authors concluded that these people were showing the beginning stages of chronic exhaustion and stress. And the interesting thing is he you could actually say, Oh, the stress hormones increased because the people were worried, you know, they actually just worked themselves up into a fervor and that’s why their stress hormones increased. And that could be true could just be in that case psychosomatic effects on your own hormones. However, the dope the phenylethylamine the P a neurotransmitter it’s not really mostly a neurotransmitter. It’s actually a regulator of other neurotransmitters. It regulates histamine and serotonin. For example, those levels dropped. They’re not under conscious control. And this was greater for overweight participants. So there’s effects that were happening here that weren’t under conscious control. And, and they weren’t restored.

Molly Knight 56:18
Hmm, interesting jury back in 2004, we wouldn’t have had the frequencies then that they now have coming out from these towers either.

Dr Julie McCredden 56:29
Now these would have been 3g frequencies.

Molly Knight 56:32

Dr Julie McCredden 56:33
Yeah. So even then, so it’s not and now we have 4g and now we have 5g being added to it. So I’ve just got a list if anyone’s interested of all the different neurotransmitters changes that have been shown by radio frequency. These are the neurotransmitters that are affected. And these are the effects they cause. And you can see a lot of the country decisions that we’re seeing today in children and in adults are related to these neurotransmitter changes. Interestingly, a lot of people think they’re, they’ve got tinnitus is ringing in the ears, but it could actually be due to the frequencies, or my Intel is that frequencies don’t travel well in water. So if you’re gone to water your tinnitus stops. It’s not tinnitus, it’s actually radio frequency. Oh, that’s interesting. Yeah.

Molly Knight 57:30
So, um, we have a question coming in from Margaret marunong. And she said, Is there a test we can do to record our baseline blood health and do ongoing monitoring? So you could test some of these neuro transmitters?

Dr Julie McCredden 57:47
Yes, you can test neurotransmitters and there are other tests as well you can do now. There’s tests for oxidative stress. There’s the doctor who does most of these things. test at the moment Dr. Russell Cooper in Tasmania, he has now created a kind of set of tests which are biomarkers for the effects of electromagnetic fields, but also the effects of chemical toxins on various various functions very systems. There’s a paper by a doctor a medical researcher, Bill pomme, who actually found that a set of biomarkers reliable biomarkers for multiple chemical sensitivity and electro hypersensitivity so they can be used, in particular the oxidative stress test I recommend because as you can see, oxidative stress is one of the biggest the biggest biomarkers, sorry, the one of the biggest effects. So, yes, so they’re available and yesterday Get in touch with Dr. Russel Cooper. But you can also have a look at bill pumps paper which will show you all of those and they’re being they’re slowly slowly being developed. People also do live blood analysis to see whether or not there’s any effects I myself because I’m assigned have the scientific brain or went in and did my own tests with a natural a naturopath who does live blood analysis and we had it you know, Sunday morning completely not exposed went straight there with first blood test, a little bit of oxidative stress showing a little bit of fib few February nergens and that type of thing, but after then 20 minutes of swiping on the iPad and the iPhone I then had a post after a post test and all of my blood cells were all clumped together in reuleaux formation And, and the most remarkable thing was the lab dropped

Molly Knight 1:00:07
out as a bit their jewelry

Dr Julie McCredden 1:00:08
sorry. And the most remarkable thing was not just the real life, real life formation in my blood, but the lack of white blood cells. The naturopath didn’t really know very much about it, she was probably like cumali you know, she put maybe heard about it. And she was so shocked to see that my white blood cells were gone. She said, you look sorry, your immune system just dropped out

Molly Knight 1:00:31

Dr Julie McCredden 1:00:33
Anyway, so that was 20 that was 20 min after 20 minutes exposure. So I recommend anyone who can do live blood analysis, do it on yourself and see do a pretest and then do just exposure to an iPad or an iPhone, swiping on it for 20 minutes and then do a post test and look at the difference. Take photos and take data

Molly Knight 1:00:56
and be very interesting to do some children who are in Wi Fi all day at school wouldn’t introduce different studies.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:01:05
Yes, if you could do them at the beginning of the day before they’re exposed, but you’d have to make sure that they will not expose during the night you know, you’d have to make sure that you cleaned up all the Wi Fi at home and then gave them exposures. But you know, there are very there are many tests you could do but yes, that’s that’s one live blood analysis though I don’t think is recognized by the mainstream. recognized by natural

Molly Knight 1:01:33
Yeah, agree. Yeah.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:01:35
So I won’t go jump that one. I’m just gone off again.

Molly Knight 1:01:42
Yes. Hello. Hello, are you there? Um, yeah, I was just going to say you said you know, you’d have to make sure the kids had a we’re free of electromagnetic medic frequencies. During the night so how do we do that? How do we keep ourselves safe and have some protection from

Dr Julie McCredden 1:02:06
these? Okay, well, I’ll jump over 5g and I’ll go on to how to keep ourselves safe.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:02:16
personal safety.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:02:19
So, first of all, with your phone, okay, everybody worries about the terror outside but they don’t realize that their phone is the greatest source of electromagnetic radiation. With your phone, you need to disable all of the signals on the phone. And people say oh, just turn it off, or that doesn’t work. Because when you turn your phone off, all you’re doing is turning off the software that’s all those bright lights at the front of the of the phone that make all the fancy pictures and you know, send photos in the back of the phone. If you turn it on. Over in the back are little pieces of metal which are the antennas and they keep sending and receiving even when your phone is off. Loose pletely off. Yes, they use low level battery to continually track you. Now too, so what you need to do to disable the antennas is two main things and I’ve got them here. If you go into settings on your phone everyone who’s listening to this if you’ve got a phone right now if you pull it out and have a look and find settings, the first thing is to turn airplane mode on. Okay, that’s what you need to do when you go into an aeroplane because you have to disable your phone on many flights still. So you turn it on as if you’re going on to an airplane and that was stopped all of your plan your phone plan your text messages in your incoming phone calls. Then you need to go into location services and turn that off. Location Services is used to locate you wherever you go. And it talks to the GPS system into the satellites and local GPS towers. Now to find it on the iPhone, you’ve got to scroll down from from airplane mode, you scroll down about eight things. I think it’s under battery. There’s something called privacy. Yes, fine privacy, click on privacy will take you into location services and then press off. Now, you should leave that off all the time because that’s wasting your battery power. If nothing else, you don’t need to be located wherever you go. You don’t need Google or somebody like that to be knowing that you’ve gone to the hairdresser’s or to the coffee shop or visit your friend up the street. That’s what that information is being And it’s also being sent by apps to say to locate you, it wastes your battery The only time you need Google Maps. So Location Services is for Google Maps. And if you if you go into Google Maps and try and turn it on, and you’ve got location services off Google Maps will say you need to turn location services off to us on to choose this app. Do you want to do this? And you say, Yes, I do. So that fixes the problem, but then make sure you go and turn it off afterwards. So that should be off all the time. Okay. And in particular, that antenna actually, because it has to travel further to the GPS system. It actually transmitted mitts at 10 to 100 times stronger than the antenna that’s being used for your phone messages. And it’s even worse when you’re in a car because when you’re in a car or a bus or a train, you’re in a partial Faraday cage because the metal is actually blocking it. And it’s like you’re in a mini microwave oven. Yeah. If so when you’re sending a message or receiving a message inside the car, your phone actually has to increase its power to get out. And so because of that, you’re actually therefore creating more havoc on your body. If you’re using your phone inside the car. Really, we should actually have the antennas for Google Maps on the outside of the car, we should be able to connect the phone inside the car with the antenna transmitting from the outside of the car, so it’s not actually needing to get outside. You know what I’m saying? Yeah, yeah. But anyway, back to this. So this is what you need to do all the time is keep Airplane Mode off and location. So airplane mode on getting on the plane and location services off I don’t want to be tracked that sort of and then tell you friends and your family going to do this but after breakfast, morning tea lunch, afternoon tea dinner, turn Airplane Mode off. Check your messages, send your messages and then put Airplane Mode back on. So that way you get your life back.

Molly Knight 1:07:10
Yes, instead of being pinged every few minutes, but yes,

Dr Julie McCredden 1:07:13
you do not have to be pinned every minute, every few minutes and that way you don’t have the phone checking in with the local tower. Do you have a message for me? Do you have a message for me pinging backwards and forwards every couple of minutes, which is going through your body and through the bodies of the children in the house with you and your neighbors as well and your pets? You can actually keep yourself this is good phone hygiene.

Molly Knight 1:07:37
Yeah, that’s great information. Julie. Thank you.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:07:41
Yes. And here we can actually see that you shouldn’t use wired headsets either because they bring the EMRs directly into your brain and increase the risk of tumors. Instead, you can actually get air tubes, which are little head headphones that go into your ears but the last 10 centimeters is Made of air. So it’s using air pressure to send a signal so you’re not actually sending the signal into your brain. So I also have a tip sheet which I can send you with a lot more information about how to keep yourself safe. Basically, everything needs to be wired. Everything at home needs to be wide. Everything at school needs to be wide. That’s the way the world was before we went wireless was just because we didn’t we didn’t want dirty, you know, messy wires on the floor where you can do it cleanly. You can run it through conduit, you can run it under the skirting boards, you can run fiber optic cables through the earth. That’s how schools should be connected in businesses. But as far as the homes go, don’t think as a woman. Oh, I want a tidy floor because as I said, the war the mess on the floor is much less than the mess in your body.

Molly Knight 1:08:54
Yes, yeah, great point. Okay, or if you could send that to me. Perhaps we could put that up on a Health Australia Party shore for people to look at. So right,

Dr Julie McCredden 1:09:06
yeah, you’re welcome to do that. I share it left, right and center. And of course, it’s changing all the time. But you know, that’s my latest update is about cleaning up your dirty electricity in your home, about safe use of phones, and yet safe use of devices. They’re the main things what people don’t know is that solar is not safe. It’s a very, very wicked problem that we have because solar is good in terms of reducing energy. But the inverters in the solar system systems in houses create cancer. And they create a lot of dirty electricity around the home, which is linked to things like multiple sclerosis as well as just headaches and sleep problems. So really, what we need to be doing with solar on its own So they have smart meters tied to their coattails and smart meters have created havoc with people’s health. perfectly healthy people in Victoria, get a smart meter in, in stored in their power box. And within two weeks, thousands of people have been affected, have blood noses can’t sleep, dizziness, pain, and become hypersensitive to other things like phones as well, just because they made a boxcar change to one that sends a signal to the power station using microwave radiation. And that’s often connected. Now when you get solar, they tell you you have to have a smart meter, which isn’t true, but they tell you you have to. So smart meters are touted also as being green and clean because they monitor electricity. But I can tell you this because I work in data and data collection and I also worked in A project looking at ways to reduce people’s energy consumption about a couple of decades ago. collecting data doesn’t change people’s behavior. And so that’s a big smokescreen in a way. What we need to change people’s behavior is help them by giving them things that are easy to use that reduce energy, like energy saving, device energy saving what hot water system as an energy saving nozzles for the shower, you give people those, then they’ll save energy as well as water. But if you just give them data on how they’re using their electricity, very few people have changed looking at their own data. They don’t even really understand it, unfortunately. But they will change if they see their neighbors conserving energy or water that will affect their behavior. Anyway, back to the point. The point is that solar is a wicked problem and if pressure was put on On institutes who are developing solar to do it cleanly and safely, it could be done. When you put limitations on engineers, they’re great at coming up with wonderful creative solutions. And that’s what we need. We need to say we want solar but we want, we don’t want dirty electricity and we don’t want harmful inverters. Please try and work it out DC or some other way.

Molly Knight 1:12:25
And that’s possible.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:12:26
Well, everything, everything is possible with ingenuity. as engineers, are they very ingenious you give them funding, you give them research money to design to come up with the designs to problem solve, and they will.

Molly Knight 1:12:43
Huh? Yeah. So a lot, a lot to be done, really to make this technology safer to use because I think, to be fair, people were so used to me have our phones. We’re so used to the iPads and this technology and it is convenient. And I love my iPad. Absolutely love it. I keep it on airplane mode, but I see I might have to change that location thing.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:13:16
I have a tip sheet that I send, you can actually even connected via an ethernet cable.

Molly Knight 1:13:22
Oh, perfect. Perfect. Yeah, that’s what we need. We need to know how to do this safely, because the technology is not going to go away. Now, um, and we don’t necessarily want it to, although I think there’s a few things with 5g that are a little bit questionable. Yes.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:13:41
So can I can I talk about 5g? Yes, please. So I’ll just go back to 5g because so this is the new one. So 5g, as I said uses those tiny, tiny little wavelengths. And they are really high frequency. And that’s why five G’s wanted because they want to be able to train more data faster, huh? Yes. Why do they want it? They want it mostly for at the moment the same for driverless cars. And for us to be able to download a movie in a second.

Molly Knight 1:14:15
Very important jewelry. Now, when

Dr Julie McCredden 1:14:19
you look at the priorities that we have on the planet right now, in terms of the really big issues that we’re facing, being able to download a movie, having instant data is not our top priority. We’re being hyped into believing that it’s a top priority. But I personally don’t believe it’s a top priority. I agree. Okay. And moreover, we already know that wireless technologies use a substantial amount of the Earth’s energy. And we know that we’re approaching an energy crisis and we’re trying to get people to conserve energy in many many other ways. Yet

the biggest consumer

The internet is YouTube use. And if you look at it, it’s actually consuming about 5% greenhouse gases. It’s huge wired technologies use much less power than wireless. Why you think about it, because a wireless transmitter has to send the signal 360 degrees in all directions. It doesn’t know where the device is. But a wired connection just sends it along the wire, it knows exactly where to send it. So it doesn’t, it’s not just more secure, it actually takes less power. And it’s believed that within five years, that when we add 5g, we’re actually going to increase the consumption of energy by 150 to 150%. So it’s not even though it’s being touted as being cleaner. It’s not 5g. 5g signals don’t require as much power for each device. There’s going to be thousands more of them everywhere. And 4g and 3g isn’t going away. That’s staying there five G’s being added to it. So how does 5g work? Well, to get all this criss cross connectivity across the world with everything connected, the Internet of Things, everything your home, your coffee pot talking to your fridge. How do we do it? Well, the little five g waves, as I said, don’t travel very far. And if you had normal mass that go out in all directions, they can’t they interfere with one another. So what they’re doing is instead of sending them out like a normal mass, send out 3g and 4g is sending them out in beams, so the waves go up and down like this. And what’s happening is see all these little, little components here. They’re all tiny land handlers, and each one of them is sending out a millimeter wave. And this sending them out in sync. So they all go up together and they all go down. Together, they all go up together, and they all go down together. And that’s how you get a whole lot of weak waves combining to create a strong wave. And then they’re focused into a beam. So this is called beam. This is called phased array, and it’s called beam forming the focus into a beam. And the beam is going to go from a local small cell on a pole in your street, to your house, or to the driverless car, or to the person walking down on their mobile phone, it will be going zip, zip zip in these beams, to get them to work. They’re going to have to cut down trees because trees stop them. People in neighborhoods around the world are complaining about this. And there’s going to be have to be lots of them everywhere, because as you said, they don’t travel very far. This is the engineers model of what the world will be like and what the beams will be like. What do you notice about this picture?

Molly Knight 1:18:02
The one at the top, down and

Dr Julie McCredden 1:18:03
up down in the bottom right of the model. What do you notice that? Well, what I noticed is there’s not many people.

Yes, and there’s not many trees.

Molly Knight 1:18:14
See, where’s no trees? Yeah. Oh yeah, a couple of years, one per

Dr Julie McCredden 1:18:17
house every everyone gets one tree.

You can see that the thing is that engineers Don’t think about biology, the only we don’t factor into their models, they they see us as whitespace. Except they do understand that our head will reduce the signal by six decibels that gets in the way. And this is a problem. But you can see that when the beam is going between the tower and the car, it goes through that person. So that person might not be wanting to send or receive a signal but it’s actually going through their body, that phased array beam will be going through them. And so this is how it’s right and this will be on a pole outside somebody’s home with their children sleeping inside, and it’ll be beaming 24 seven. Now, has this been tested? Know the effects of this? No. But what you know, you have to do pre market testing. If you’re going to roll out toothpaste, you have to know what the effects are on human health. Yeah, this hasn’t been pre market testing. And at least there needs to be honesty about that. We don’t know even if they don’t admit harm, which we saying there is potential harm. And there’s a lot of evidence for it. But even if they won’t admit that they have to say, we don’t know if there’s harm or not, it’s up to you to decide if you want it. The problem is that people are feeling disempowered, because how can they stop something on a tower outside their home, and city councils around the world are starting to become active and starting to stop using their own means to stop this rollout. In the shires and in this suburbs. So what do we know? In terms of the science? There is limited science. This is the problem. It hasn’t been tested. But what do we know? There are some positive effects are very, very short term exposures can actually suppress tumors by switching on triggering the immune system. But there are other papers that show with long term effects. There’s an array of negative effects here we have changes in heart rate, damage to DNA and gene expression, effects on the nervous system immune system, changes in bacterial growth and antibiotic resistance. This is an early Russian study from 1977, which has recently been declassified, showing very concerning effects. The Russians have actually been studying this for quite a long time because because they’re not capitalists. The effects of, you know, an industry don’t play don’t come into so much play over there. It doesn’t stop them from being able to expose and publicize and fix so that their standards, their exposure limits that they’re allowed to expose their public tour a much, much lower than 1000 times lower. So the Russian study they showed this is 5g, punched in damage notes in the skin and layer surface surface layers, changes to protein and carbohydrate metabolism, disturbance of the immune and blood systems. This author concluded high biological activity in an unfavorable influence on the organism. Now Western science is showing permanent skin tissue damage, because what happens is the millimeter waves you can imagine that they’re like a machine gun going to do on the same little tiny area of skin. Over and over. Now one of those little blasts isn’t going to heat the skin. But when you they’re repeated over and over, they’re actually causing these intense hating spots, which cause permanent skin tissue damage. Okay, even the conservative scientists some have recognized this. And this is going to happen within sorry, this is predicted to exceed the limits that the amount of heating because our exposure limits only look at heating, they don’t look at all the effects on cells and biology and mitochondria. They don’t consider any of that our safety limits that we live under in Australia. only consider that a heating is of concern nothing else. But even that limit which is so weak will be exceeded by these intense hotspots. We also there’s also some suggestion that sweat glands are the skin they Act like many antennas, which will antennas, if you know about what Nintendo does, it actually amplifies in effect amplifies the signal.

And when the 5g waves which will be post when they come into the body, because when they enter the biological tissue, they’re likely to create these secondary waves called beryllium precursors. This is just a mathematical model. But these waves will penetrate much deeper into the body, potentially unraveling proteins and causing intense heating. So even our pants or our advisory organization that has that says that we should use this exposure standard which is so weak and doesn’t protect us from many effects. Even they say the main areas of concern are skin and eyes and protein unraveling. But when asked publicly, they don’t speak about that.

Molly Knight 1:23:58
It’s interesting, isn’t it? Corinne just go back to that first point that she made some positive effects. Yes, true suppression? Yes, with short 30 minute exposures. Now, my understanding 5g is 24 seven all the time, it’s on all the time. So you wouldn’t ever have a 30 minute exposure, would you? No, no.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:24:22
This is, um, see, because the Russians have been experimenting with this for a long time. They’ve actually found ways to use millimeter waves therapeutically, just for very short term exposures, just like now you know, ultraviolet light is being used for skin conditions. In very, very short exposures, or even ionizing radiation with very, very short exposures it’s given to people before they go for radiotherapy, you know, for for cancer treatment, because it does actually trigger an immune response to actually create like a healthy response, but that’s only because You know, when when the system when the immune system is under stress or the body systems are under stress, of course, they trigger on all of their repair mechanisms, you know that that all switches on in the short term. And that’s, you know, that’s the inflammatory responses while we get the inflammatory response. It’s actually a healing response in the short term. But if it then goes on and on and on and on, it turns into a long term stress or creating oxidative stress, which leads to DNA damage in cancer. So that’s probably the same thing that’s going that you know that that will be happening here.

Molly Knight 1:25:36
Yes. Hmm. Interesting.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:25:38
So that’s 5g in this, there’s effects on pollinators on on bees, and insects. They’re all that are all listed here. This is not 5g. This is actually what’s already known about Prejean for 4g. But then as we can see, above six g which is when we go With 5g, high 5g frequencies, okay, this paper here showed that the insects would absorb more of the power because as we said before, it’s the wavelength of their body. So that is where they will maximum Li absorb those wavelengths. And we don’t know the effect but we already know from the existing ones that we’re getting declining colony strength and a glowing rate that there’s no honey or pollen. There’s reduced motor activity and then the communication signals are being affected. The other environmental effects that I’m quite concerned about a water and oxygen because both water and oxygen absorb because of their molecular structure and size. They maximally absorb 5g, high 5g frequency wavelengths his The oxygen oxygen actually absorbs and will actually maximally absorb 60 gigahertz, which is being used for Point to Point radiation. But it’s also now being proposed for lots of short distance radiation between devices in the future. And also, water absorbs 5g frequencies. Now, engineers see this as a problem because they say, oh, when it rains, you know, the signal fades because the rain is absorbing the signal. And so we have to turn up the strength, but they are not actually thinking about what’s actually happening to the molecule when it’s absorbing the radiation, okay? Because when the molecule is absorbing that radiation is actually changing the molecule at the quantum level. So these high frequencies 5g waves that are coming are going to be changing the molecular structure of water and oxygen.

This is a real concern.

Molly Knight 1:28:13
Certainly use that. I mean that it’s insane.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:28:17
And it hasn’t really tested. They haven’t thought about it, they just see it as a nuisance. You know, they haven’t actually looked at, well, what’s the effect of this on, you know, the electron transport chain on the uptake of oxygen in cells, the effect on trees, the effect on rain, the effect only has as we said before, we’re made up of, you know, 50% of our of our makeup is water, or more. What’s the effect of this and if we change the molecular structure of oxygen, will we be breathing oxygen what we will what will we be breathing, you know, what we’ll want to be if it’s had its rotational energy affected These things haven’t been tested. There’s a blinkered view on this.

Molly Knight 1:29:06
I don’t understand I just don’t get how they cannot be screaming out for tests to see what happened. Well, I guess I do understand it because a lot of dollars involved here, I think.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:29:19
Yes. So right up to the top of that the who the World Health Organization has an organization has a group in a call that looks at the effects of non ionizing radiation on health. It’s called the HU EMF project. And, but a lot of the people who are in the who mF project are actually also in economic which is the international body that sets this exposure limit that Australia uses, but they have such close ties with industry. So those same people and now that are in this high EMF project and they’re the ones that are supposed to be looking at the health effects. What they do is they keep the discussion on cancer. They don’t look at all of these other effects that I’ve been talking about. They keep the debate on cancer. And even that has been shown there’s been in the last couple of years papers have come out showing serious and statistically significant results with rats showing cancer, especially rare, aggressive cancers. They look at worker exposures, but they don’t really look at people being exposed 24 seven in their home, and they only as I said before, their standard only considers heating. They don’t consider biological effects or how can it actually be of any a really of any use to us of any purpose, okay? They only look at power levels, whereas we know from the papers that there are so many more things going on with the signals that this frequency pulse rate modulation, that’s how much it’s being how much up and down is going on the carrier wave, there’s a carrier wave. And then there’s a wave on top, which is the signal that’s being sent. And that’s the modulation. All of these things have different biological effects. And we know that pulsing is more bioactive, it doesn’t matter. If you’re, if you’re measuring the power levels you can get at the same power level, you can get different effects depending on the shape of the wave. And that’s not surprising when you think the brain is actually set up to process frequency. You know, we light is frequency sound is frequency, our brain is set up to recognize different frequency means different things to our brain, same to ourselves. We are frequency and energy receptors. So if we change the shape, our body recognizes it as something different. But engineers don’t understand that they only look at power. And that’s why they don’t understand the biological effects. So the reason It’s a clear and to claim that the current limits are keeping us safe is incorrect. Actually, under the current limits, we are showing lots of different harmful effects. A public regulator of the signals is the Australian communications media authority ACMA in their act, this is their act. This is a duty to care for the health and safety protection to persons who operate work with or use wireless equipment via an establishment of standards. A standard is actually usually a 3030 page plus document that says when and where and how and why in which people can actually do something with some technology or some chemical or some object. But we don’t have standards, what they call standards, they’re actually not standards, the standard has not been created. They’re just guidelines. And they come from me. And that’s what Australia uses. So instead of having upsetting this standard and sticking to their mandate under the Act to worry about our health and safety, this is what they’ve said that if we worried about precautionary principle, you know about being careful in the face of all these harmful risks, this would place a regulatory burden on industry, which would require a strong justification. And the ACA, which of course regulates all the frequencies that industry uses, does not discern this justification. So the way that we see it is it’s the foxes guarding the henhouse.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:33:43
Yes. So

Molly Knight 1:33:49
it’s quite scary, actually. Isn’t it for the future of mankind basically, and Planet Earth and every living creature or insect? Yes, sir. It’s very scary when when you really break it down and start to look at it which people aren’t doing the general public have no inkling that anything is other than as it should be. And he’s all, all is. Well. That’s right.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:34:16
Though there are our groups, you know that we’ve heard of groups starting up all over Australia as well as city councils were being asked by city councils to talk to them to explain to them these harmful effects because they’re at the the buffer zone between the rollout of 5g and they’re the people that they’re responsible for to protect. And city councilors, you know, are mostly honest, hard working people who are trying to look after their constituents and they need to know what’s going on. And they can’t believe that the authorities aren’t protecting us. I though it comes as a shock to everyone. But unfortunately, that is what’s going on, in particular in schools is being rolled out. It’s been shown to cause harm, and no one’s monitoring it. And no one’s even telling the children and parents and teachers and principals that this is potentially harmful. And you need to do things to reduce your exposure. No one’s being told.

Molly Knight 1:35:18
Hmm. So there’s some work to be done. There is

Dr Julie McCredden 1:35:23
there is I need to let you know if you don’t believe any of the science believe the insurance industry, they recognize the risk. Lloyd’s of London will not insure and they’ve advised insurance companies around the world. They will not insure against harm done by radio frequency, and microwave radio frequencies.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:35:45

Dr Julie McCredden 1:35:46
They’ve done their own studies and they recognize the risks and they don’t want to lose the money that will they would lose if they insured people for loss or damage from harm from mobile phones or iPads. The other thing is if you go into the small print of the iPad, you’ll actually see that it tells it to keep tells you to keep it half a meter away from your body. And to keep it keep the antenna facing away from your body. Most people don’t know that they don’t even go in, they don’t go in and read it and they don’t know that. So children are keeping it on their laps all the time. And most people are they don’t realize they’re actually sending the microwave radiation straight into their stomach in their ovaries and their lungs.

Molly Knight 1:36:34
Well know that half a meter that’s that’s like an arm’s length, isn’t it?

Dr Julie McCredden 1:36:39
That’s right. It doesn’t make the iPad so appealing. That you can connected via an ethernet cable if you have a look at my tip sheet. All of the advises to governments around the world all seem to be somehow compromised with ties to industries both research centers and public protection. Authorities, they all seem to be repeating the same no conclusive evidence of harm statements in public. They, they choose handpick papers, and when we talk about any harmful effects, they just watered down the results. They use pseudo science it seems to cover up and water down effects because it’s not in their best interest to actually admit to harm. Moreover, many of them, Aigner the HU EMF project in our Panzer, they don’t have people with medical expertise in those bodies. They’re physicists and engineers. They don’t have they might have people who have a qualification in medicine, but not in RF medicine. You know, they’re in some area, other area of medicine that hasn’t got to do with radio frequency. They do actually not have the biophysicist that they need and the independent by physicists that are trying to get this word out. Actually are ignored and they don’t get air space. There’s a lot of media muscle behind these voices. And also what we’ve done is we’ve actually drawn a diagram of how all these bodies form what we call the club. This is in our 5g submission to the parliament tree. So this is our submission to the 5g parliamentary inquiry. You can see, for example, how Telstra is connected to the CMA which is the peak body for mobile telecommunications industry. They’re related to the A CMA, our Australian Centre for Research is has links with them and with the industry. And the chairperson, sorry, the ex chief investigator of our research body is now the chairperson of economic, which is the international body that sets the standard that has links with telecommunications industry, government regulators like our pens or look to Aigner, they It, they take their guidance from ic nirp and from the scientists who are linked to ignorant industry, and they don’t do their own independent research, even though they say they’re monitoring it. They haven’t even had the equipment to monitor it and I don’t believe they have the equipment yet to monitor 5g, the World Health Organization as I said before, the people in that project come from weakness. And look here we have told the Telstra 5g rollout strategist working for Telstra is also the person who is the chair chairman of the radio frequencies safety program for our peak body for telecommunications. And the same person is also the Commissioner of the International electrochemical commission which is supposed to be setting the standards. Right, the same person. So when he comes out in public and says Oh, Telstra is following the international standards. What we’re not told is he’s the chairperson of the Commission. That’s

Molly Knight 1:40:06
actually setting those standards. Oh, it’s disgraceful. It’s nothing short of disgraceful. It’s so incestuous.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:40:14
It’s unbelievable. Yeah, it is. Really, it’s all smoke and mirrors. And because the World Health Organization has such high esteem, people don’t understand that it’s so compromised. This part of the World Health Organization is compromised anyway, the EMF project and who’s left, governments are left looking to the who are looking to parents are in Australia, the FCC in the US and underneath them, the families and children of Australia who are being affected by all of this going on determining what we are being exposed to. In our offices are children and being exposed. Switch school and now what’s being rolled out now streets. So I recommend people look at this. I’ve got this link here how the wireless industry made us believe that mobile phones is safe. It’s an article in an Independent Journal online journal. news news, why do I say newspapers and online newspaper The nation? Anyway, George Carlo, he was an industry favorable scientist. He was known to be kind to industry in many other fields. So because of that, the wireless industry commissioned him in 1995. I gave him $26 million to do a study called the wireless technology research project, looking into our the harmful effects of wireless. They expected of course, that he would be very kind to them. But lo and behold, Georgia hollow he’d been very conservative and in many other fields hadn’t been willing to say there were effects. He found effects. And he sent a letter to his superiors saying there are there’s a risk of rare tumors on the outside of the brain is more than doubled in mobile phone users. Okay, there’s a correlation between brain tumors on the right side of the head and mobile phone use of the head. And there’s clear evidence for functional genetic damage. You need to let people know. But instead, they didn’t listen to him. Of course, he lost his job. He informed he wanted them just to allow people to make an informed choice, but he didn’t. Instead Motorola decided to in quote wargame the science, you can actually look up. There’s a link of proof of a memo when Motorola actually say that explicitly. We will walk out in the sun What that means is we will present science to the world, just like tobacco science did, to cover up the truth, to water down results and to sow seeds of doubt. And that’s been going on now for about 50 years. And that’s why people are so confused.

Molly Knight 1:43:18
Hmm. It’s so disappointing, Julie, that human beings would do this to some dollars and the power, I guess, I don’t know. It’s, it’s very disappointing.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:43:35
It’s extremely disappointing. And it’s a human rights issue. You know, that you actually people need to know, they need to know that there’s a risk they need to be taught how to keep themselves safe. And then it’s a poison just like other poisons. But other poisons at least you get a choice to use it. But here you know if I blow cigarette smoke in your face, I’m assaulting you, you know, and I can be charged back. But we have towers, if you can visualize it the towers is like the billowing out cigarette smoke. From the towers from every mobile phone, it’s putting out toxic. If you imagine it putting out toxic fumes day and night, we’re surrounded by it. People don’t have the information. And they don’t have a choice because everybody’s everybody’s passively smoking. And when it goes in a poll outside your house, you won’t have a choice. So what they were talking about personal safety, but wide national safety. This is what we need. We’re talking about a policy for a political party. And for government agencies, we need wide connections. We need reduced exposure, and we need an independent body to create and manage the standards. Not at Penza. Yes, exactly. Anyone who’s compromised by industry, and the people have to be independent and they have to have the required medical expertise. To make informed decisions, and to advise government in informed way, this is how safety management has happened with ionizing radiation. Now for decades, Australia’s done it before with ionizing radiation, we decided it was too dangerous, even though would give us unlimited power. We didn’t want it. And we can do the same. With non ionizing radiation, we can decide we’re going to reduce it and we’re going to wire everything at the same time. We need to reduce the industry influences. And we need to be funding proper research, looking into the effects so that we know how to go forward into the future.

Molly Knight 1:45:39
Yes, yeah, quite agree. Yes.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:45:43
There you go. So thank you very much. I was thank you very much for that talk, and for giving me this time to talk

Molly Knight 1:45:50
and I’m sorry if I put everybody to sleep. Now. It’s been quite fascinating. I’m really grateful. Julie, thank you so

Dr Julie McCredden 1:45:58
much to share now and if If anybody has any questions, I can answer them or everybody left and I just

Molly Knight 1:46:08
I can’t see the feed the Facebook feed. So I don’t know if questions are coming or not. That’s okay. My so yeah, Julie look, thank you. You’re, you’re an amazing source of information. And I guess it’s, well, I’m disappointed, you know, government bodies and the authorities, I’m disappointed in humanity for certain people and industries being so focused, I guess on the dollar, because that’s, you always follow the money, don’t you and, and I guess at the end of the day, that’s where it comes to. We love for technology, but we do need to make it safe and for people to be aware of the dangers. Like the shops, I look at the amount of people who have a phone in their hands. pocket or not so many in their bras these days, but certainly in the pant pocket and for kids in prayer, little toddlers with the iPhone on their little bellies just looking at it. Yes. And it’s disappointing that we live in a society that isn’t kind to humankind. They’re not kind to people. Not so caring for each other more for I don’t know, what can they get out of it all? I don’t know, disappointing, I’m disappointed

Dr Julie McCredden 1:47:35
is I’m sorry to be the bringer of bad news. But that like if I can say this is that everybody, to some extent still has a choice. Even though industry might be doing this, each person still has freewill about what they do in their own home. You know, it’s been shown for example, that children are really angry. I feel betrayed by the amount of time that their mothers spend on the mobile phone in their presence. You know, families can do things like have a basket at the door, where all devices get disabled, like I’ve shown you to do. And you leave them at the door when you come inside, and then you have family face to face home. The children would love this. It’s not, you know, we are their role models, in terms of how to use technology. And I think the love of fail technology is starting to wind down, you know, we’re not so bedazzled. They’re starting to realize in schools, for example, that it’s not making kids smarter. And in fact, when you look at the latest Gonski report that’s just come out. Children are actually less able to concentrate principals and teachers are seeing this, but they’re also having more emotional and behavioral problems and less empathy. 80% of them are noticing less empathy. When you say about that inability to care, you don’t I mean, this kind of this detachment from reality that’s happening. And we need to weigh up. You know, like, the thing about being grown up in the world, is that the world is not simple. You know, we have things on a balanced scale on one on one hand, we have health, planetary health, human health, mental, social, emotional health. And on the other side of the scale, we have, we have progress and making money, okay? Now you can actually bring some money over with health inside, you can still make money and be healthy, you know, but where’s the tipping point and at the moment, the side of the scale that’s weighing much more heavily is the love of money, and the love of power and the love of control. People still have at the end of the day, they still have their free will They still have a choice to inform themselves and to look after themselves. And that’s my hope that by bringing this message that I’ll help promote that in people and trust that they can that the ordinary everyday people still care enough, especially about their children that they will actually look into this

Molly Knight 1:50:26
Wise words. Thank you, Julie. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. It’s been a long talk but incredibly informative. And I’m very grateful for your time because I know how very busy you are. So thank you very much, Julie.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:50:41
You’re welcome. Molly, please, just break it up and show it to whoever whoever you want to. Okay, all the best in your endeavors with the party, and I really hope that it can go forward to help you know, promo guide health in Australia,

Molly Knight 1:50:57
huh? Yes, absolutely. Well, we say We are working on that. And the more members we have the more power we have, I guess. Yeah, to do things and to have a voice. Yes.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:51:11
Thanks very much. Good night.

Molly Knight 1:51:12
Thank you. Good night. Good night. Good night, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us tonight.

Dr Julie McCredden 1:51:18
Good night.



Prof Kylie O’Brien discussed with Molly Knight the research behind medicinal cannabis and its benefits. Kylie explained how cannabis is used by the body and the ways in which it can provide relief in a wide variety of health issues. The dangers were also covered as was the history of cannabis use going back thousands of years.

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Cyndi O’Meara joined Molly Knight on 6th August 2020 for a Facebook Live interview where Cyndi provided her views on how you can bring about positive changes in your personal life that will lead to collective action to heal the nation.


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Elizabeth Madders discusses with Molly Knight the hazards of wi-fi in schools, the second part of our series “Joining the Dots”


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